Pauline Dispensationalism

[LaMontre]

I'm sorry I am a literal bible believer maybe I should find a board that holds God's word literally and not change it ;say Abram believd in the coming messiah and thats not what it says. I fear God to much to change it.

It was not "a child in his old age". Paul clearly states that the gospel preached to him was "In you shall all nations be blessed" (Gal 3:8).

I have changed nothing.

Grace and peace.

[Mechaberean]

Abraham had belief for the Messiah who was to come. He had faith that He would definitely come. He had not seen the Messiah. This faith was counted as righteousness for him.------Here is what I am talking about this type of stuff scares me when the bible says otehr wise.Genesis15:1 After these things the word of the LORD came unto Abram in a vision, saying, Fear not, Abram: I am thy shield, and thy exceeding great reward.
2 And Abram said, LORD God, what wilt thou give me, seeing I go childless, and the steward of my house is this Eliezer of Damascus?
3 And Abram said, Behold, to me thou hast given no seed: and, lo, one born in my house is mine heir.
4 And, behold, the word of the LORD came unto him, saying, This shall not be thine heir; but he that shall come forth out of thine own bowels shall be thine heir.
5 And he brought him forth abroad, and said, Look now toward heaven, and tell the stars, if thou be able to number them: and he said unto him, So shall thy seed be.
6 And he believed in the LORD; and he counted it to him for righteousness.

[Mechaberean]

They had faith in God and the foreshadows;and desired to see what we see.

[Topped 3]

Precisely. There is a reason for the use of the various terms in question in this verse (By, Through).

"By" in the greek refers to the origin of the faith to which he refers; which is of course, Abraham and Israel (the circumcision) (Rom 3;2, and 9:4). And of course, it is "Through" (dia) that same faith that the Gentiles are justified. The means to their justification is, and always has been, the same (faith, Heb 11).

God will justify the uncircumcision through the same faith that originated with, and justifies the circumcision.

Remembering of course that a circumsized person who has broken the law, may as well not be circumsized at all if that's what he is relying upon for his justification (Rom 2:25).
On the Contrary,Paul is careful in Gal. and Eph.to ,in most cases,always use "God" or "Christ" when talking about "Faith of" or "through faith ",cuz he is writing to Gentiles.He makes it clear that we are to "Preach the Cross" and "Christ crucified".That is basically what salvation is for us Gentiles"now"in this "Dispensation of the Grace of God";it is the salvation by Grace through faith of Christ,not "Israel's" faith in,(different program),Thats why we're "Joint heirs",not "Friends" like He calls the Disciples.The Cross and Mercy and Grace is all we "Gentiles" are about.Israel still has their own "yet to be fulfilled program" and true "Gentile church members" support Israel 100%,and do NOT attempt to usurp or impose ourselves as part of that plan.All of the N.T. is for our learning and instruction for righteous living,but NOT to brazenly try to claim for our own.That is Replacement Theology,and I don't want to be accursed for mis-appropriating God's word and leading people astray. :candle

[LaMontre]

------Here is what I am talking about this type of stuff scares me when the bible says otehr wise.Genesis15:1 After these things the word of the LORD came unto Abram in a vision, saying, Fear not, Abram: I am thy shield, and thy exceeding great reward.
2 And Abram said, LORD God, what wilt thou give me, seeing I go childless, and the steward of my house is this Eliezer of Damascus?
3 And Abram said, Behold, to me thou hast given no seed: and, lo, one born in my house is mine heir.
4 And, behold, the word of the LORD came unto him, saying, This shall not be thine heir; but he that shall come forth out of thine own bowels shall be thine heir.
5 And he brought him forth abroad, and said, Look now toward heaven, and tell the stars, if thou be able to number them: and he said unto him, So shall thy seed be.
6 And he believed in the LORD; and he counted it to him for righteousness.

Again, I didn't say it, Paul did:
Gal 3:8 And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.

So, no worries. :wave

[Mechaberean]

I agree Israel has its own place in god's plans, we do not replace them. Good stuff

[Mechaberean]

Thats not THEE gospel, thee gospel is the crossnot oh I believe Abraham is gonna bless me through his seed so i believe that and am saved LOL thats his righteousness

[Mechaberean]

it says he preached BEFORE the gospel, I believe BEfore is your keyword there

[Mechaberean]

Again its a foeshadow an aspect of the whole gospel its not the gospel , had they known it they woulodnt have crucified Jesus the whole thing

[Mechaberean]

There is no righteousness from the cross because the work hadn't been done yet. Thats why David says in the Old Testament judge me According to my righteousness. Also it goes from the just shall live by HIS(emphasis mine) faith,to the just shall live by faith no HIS(emphasis mine). So its their faith,their righteousness in the Old testament. Its not the same gospel from several different angles its what God preached before the cross;which is the gospel.