Pauline Dispensationalism

[LaMontre]

How about there are more than one salvation in teh bible ever think of that?

Yes, yes, but the only one were talking about here, is the one purchased by the blood of Jesus Christ.

Yes there are many "salvations" in the bible, but only ONE way to the Father.

1 James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the?? twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting.

So you would say the ones that this letter was initially written to were not members of the church?

What tribe are you from?

False accusation will not help your case.

Jesus himself said they needed to take a stand he is the Messiah and they would be kicked out of the Synagogue because the Jews are enemies for the gospels sake. They won't stand for it,right now, and just before our age.

Rom 11:1 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
Rom 11:2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew.....

[Mechaberean]

your opinion

[LaMontre]

your opinion

And Pauls apparently....:heh

[Topped 3]

Yes, yes, but the only one were talking about here, is the one purchased by the blood of Jesus Christ.

Yes there are many "salvations" in the bible, but only ONE way to the Father.



So you would say the ones that this letter was initially written to were not members of the church?



False accusation will not help your case.



Rom 11:1 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
Rom 11:2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew.....
The people following this thread can ponder the scripture for themselves and make their own determination about what doctrine is pertinent and what is circumstantial.Thank you,laMontre for your arguements,I appreciate your zeal and dedication to the Gospel.I used to follow All the NT as strictly as yourself,but I was extremely troubled about the contradicory nature between the authors2Tim.2:15.."Study to shew thyself approved unto God,a workman that needeth not to be ashamed,rightly dividing the word of truth". I realize that Meca-B and I dont quote as many verses as you would like,or list any ones that might convince you.It took me 2-3 yrs before I could accept "right division",cuz the more studying that's done , the more Questions and insufficiently answered problems will emerge.Right Division is the ONLY way to make the ENTIRE bible flow together. :scripture

[My Abba's Child]

Every time you see the word 'mystery' (mustērion) in the NT, it means something brand new never before revealed.

Paul uses that word a lot...

A mystery is something newly revealed, but not necessarily brand new. Ready a "mystery" novel... you'll find that everything the mystery reveals has been there since the beginning, it's just that someone was finally able to put all the "clues" together (or someone gave a revealing confession). Not questioning your dispensational view, just mentioning that just because something's a mystery doesn't mean it's brand new. =)

In His love,

[BlessedinHim]

Isnt it in Ecclesiastes, there is nothing new under the sun.

And God does not change.

[Mechaberean]

Yep God doesn't change but His programs with man do. Nobody went to Heaven until Jesus died and no one was sealed until they were. The rapture won't happen until it does, nor the millenium, and alot of its still a mystery, Things don't happen with God until His perfect timetable, So its not all around from Genesis through Revelations and we just don't understand it or God's prophets would have mentioned it before. God is perfect even His timing.

[LaMontre]

The people following this thread can ponder the scripture for themselves and make their own determination about what doctrine is pertinent and what is circumstantial.Thank you,laMontre for your arguements,I appreciate your zeal and dedication to the Gospel.I used to follow All the NT as strictly as yourself,but I was extremely troubled about the contradicory nature between the authors2Tim.2:15.."Study to shew thyself approved unto God,a workman that needeth not to be ashamed,rightly dividing the word of truth". I realize that Meca-B and I dont quote as many verses as you would like,or list any ones that might convince you.It took me 2-3 yrs before I could accept "right division",cuz the more studying that's done , the more Questions and insufficiently answered problems will emerge.Right Division is the ONLY way to make the ENTIRE bible flow together. :scripture

Actually I used to believe the traditional dispensational doctine, until I actually studied it out....so I won't be going back.

:wave

[Topped 3]

Isnt it in Ecclesiastes, there is nothing new under the sun.

And God does not change. Luke 11:29.."This is an evil Generation;they seek a sign;and there shall no sign be given it,but the sign of Jonas the Prophet.."v.30.."For as Jonas was a sign unto the Ninevites,so shall also the Son of Man be to THIS generation..." read in Jonah how God sent Him to Preach repentance to the Ninevites,but Jonah hated them and wouldnt . ( A shadow of this evil generation,rebellion is as witchcraft,it's evil)so God made a fish to swallow Jonah(he died and went to Hell,like all rebels and unbelievers did in the OT)God resurrected him,and he preached to the Ninevites(reluctantly)They repented and God changed his mind(spared them,a type of the post-cross Gentiles,they repented and believed)but Jonah(a type of Israel,Hardened his heart and pouted , and would not be comforted or consoled,hated the grace shown to the Gentiles)Jesus only told the Disciples about the Crucifiction,but they did not understand,no one did,Jonah is Israel's sign that God would show m ercy to all who would repent(the Ninevites believed and were justified,but Israel rejected their Messiah, and so their program of "The Kingdom of Heaven,Jesus on David's Throne,would be Postponed,)...:scratch

[LaMontre]

A mystery is something newly revealed, but not necessarily brand new. Ready a "mystery" novel... you'll find that everything the mystery reveals has been there since the beginning, it's just that someone was finally able to put all the "clues" together (or someone gave a revealing confession). Not questioning your dispensational view, just mentioning that just because something's a mystery doesn't mean it's brand new. =)

In His love,

Very good. The mystery was simply hidden, or encoded in the scriptures. But it was "in the scriptures".

Eph 1:9 Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself:
Eph 1:10 That in the dispensation of the fullness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:

Eph 3:5 Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;
Eph 3:6 That the Gentiles should be fellow heirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:

Col 1:25 Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfill the word of God;
Col 1:26 Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints:

Rom 16:25 Now to him that is of power to establish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,
Rom 16:26 But now is made manifest, and by the Scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:

It was hidden from Israel in the scriptures, "in plain sight," just as Jesus true identity was hidden from many.

Paul even said quite plainly, that the gospel he preached was "according to the scriptures" (1 Cor 15:3-4).

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