Pauline Dispensationalism

[Topped 3]

Actually I used to believe the traditional dispensational doctine, until I actually studied it out....so I won't be going back.

:wave Maybe you should study un-traditional disensational doctrine. If you've rejected disp.pauline theology as a whole,why didn't you tell us ten pages back ? We would've spent our effort on someone OPEN to the scripture,not closed.You should stop listing scripture out of Rom. and I &II Cor. cuz they are transitional books to teach Law AND Grace to Jews and Proselytes...and just confuse and further Frustrate this discussion.I think we all know that "right Division Pauline Grace of God doctrine" has WON this Threads discussion hands down. Time for new thread,new topic. :wave

[BlessedinHim]

I have learned a lot from this thread. Although, I do not go along with all the stuff I posted for discussion. Like the two gospel business. I believe there is only one gospel and two different audiences with two different points of view. I believe a Jew can become saved today just like us "gentiles" and miss out on the tribulation period, or, they can remain stiff necked and have to go through the great tribulation. And of course that is just what many will do. They will be the remnant of Israel. For a little while that remnant will be in the MK, but in the end, we all end up in the same place. You know, I am not sure if that will be heaven or not. Doesnt matter as long as we are with Jesus.

[Mechaberean]

I believe there are more than two gospels, but in our age there is only one. In the tribulation one can become a Jew or bless Israel(sheep nation). In our age its the cross work of Jesus and our faith in it.(at least three in the bible)

[Mechaberean]

Very good. The mystery was simply hidden, or encoded in the scriptures. But it was "in the scriptures".

Eph 1:9 Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself:
Eph 1:10 That in the dispensation of the fullness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:

Eph 3:5 Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;
Eph 3:6 That the Gentiles should be fellow heirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:

Col 1:25 Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfill the word of God;
Col 1:26 Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints:

Rom 16:25 Now to him that is of power to establish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,
Rom 16:26 But now is made manifest, and by the Scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:

It was hidden from Israel in the scriptures, "in plain sight," just as Jesus true identity was hidden from many.

Paul even said quite plainly, that the gospel he preached was "according to the scriptures" (1 Cor 15:3-4).

:thumb------------I have been saying it all along its hidden in first person quotes and prophesy for later.

[Mechaberean]

at least the cross was the physical throne wasn't.

[LaMontre]

Maybe you should study un-traditional disensational doctrine. If you've rejected disp.pauline theology as a whole,why didn't you tell us ten pages back ? We would've spent our effort on someone OPEN to the scripture,not closed.

I am not "closed to the scripture", just to your skewed interpretation of it. Once again I am confronted with the rank arrogance that the holders of this doctrine have. Believe me, your not the first. :tsk

You should stop listing scripture out of Rom. and I &II Cor. cuz they are transitional books to teach Law AND Grace to Jews and Proselytes...and just confuse and further Frustrate this discussion.

I am happy to reveal the frustration and confusion that your doctrine brings to the scripture.

I think we all know that "right Division Pauline Grace of God doctrine" has WON this Threads discussion hands down.

Give that man a cupie doll!! :heh

Grace and peace. :wave

[LaMontre]

------------I have been saying it all along its hidden in first person quotes and prophesy for later.

I know you have. I kept wondering exactly what it was you were disagreeing with me about.

Seems to me you hold to a works for salvation doctrine, which is what I decided to primarily focus on.

Ah well, Grace and peace.

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I have learned a lot from this thread. Although, I do not go along with all the stuff I posted for discussion. Like the two gospel business. I believe there is only one gospel and two different audiences with two different points of view. I believe a Jew can become saved today just like us "gentiles" and miss out on the tribulation period, or, they can remain stiff necked and have to go through the great tribulation. And of course that is just what many will do. They will be the remnant of Israel. For a little while that remnant will be in the MK, but in the end, we all end up in the same place. You know, I am not sure if that will be heaven or not. Doesnt matter as long as we are with Jesus. I agree BIH, that's what I believe also;however the Gripes MB and I have presented are people quoting scripture that is erroniously linked to this dispensation. Y ou cannot rob Peter and the Jewish doctrine and apply it to Pauls Gospel. That's the only complaint I have.Paul is unique;he is both jew and gentile,so he could minister to both,but as the jews officially rejected the Gospel,Paul even told the prison keeper in Acts 16:37.."They have beaten us openly uncondemned,being Romans.." this after the merchants caught Paul and Silas and accused them of sedition..V 16:20.."these men,being Jews,do exceedingly trouble our City.." By Paul's own confession as a "Roman" he had officially ceased going to Jews first,and were going to ALL men.After this revelation we can not apply the Epistles of the "other'' apostles to this Dispensation. This is Mid-Acts Dispensationalism..the Covenant is temporarily suspended. :twitch

[Mechaberean]

our age is our faith in the cross work of Jesus, but other ages yes its faith plus works as seen throughout my posts.

[Mechaberean]

prophecy which is what is going on before something happens is a future event.