Pauline Dispensationalism

[Mechaberean]

So now you mention the remnant....interesting.

Riddle me this: In your opinion, where is this "remnant" that Paul spoke of (in this dispensation)?
-------They are trying to reach Israel in Acts1-7 yes they are JEWS from every nation in acts 2. But Jews none the less are addressed in there not single Gentile except proselyte in 1-7 sorry.


Actually, that would be remnant addressing EVERY nation. If were gonna claim a "literal" approach, lets keep it literal shall we?---------nope Jews from every nation I dont add or take away from God's word myself advise you not too also.----------



Since your not willing to make your points clearly; for the sake of all who read this let me clarify:
Your saying then, that because Peter only addressed "the men of Israel" that this proves another gospel?-------I clarified what I believe easily if you dont understand my summation when you said you like summations sorry can't help ya-----------

What you seem to fail to see, is that this "remnant" is the ekklesia.-------Yep one of the churches in the bible sure-------------

The audience does not change the message, and the message is the same. I note that you failed to address ther actual message here.-----Oh I told ya nobody could say in their heart Jesus was raised from the dead until it happened called the New testament; no New Testamnet without the death of the testator------------

Lets break it down, shall we? For the sake of brevity, I will simply "hit the high points" (so the speak), comparing his words to Pauls on the same topics.

Act 2:21 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.------from what its not saying spiritually every time-------------

Rom 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. ----------yep i have clarified my postion here to Romans is written to Gentiles but none are sealed they are "called Jews"= proselytes----------

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Act 2:24 Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it.
Act 2:25 For David speaketh concerning him, I foresaw the Lord always before my face, for he is on my right hand, that I should not be moved:
Act 2:26 Therefore did my heart rejoice, and my tongue was glad; moreover also my flesh shall rest in hope:
Act 2:27 Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.

Act 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel-----------AHA WHO IS ADDRESSED YOU SAID MAN OF EVERY NATION WRONG JEWS OF EVERY NATION_--------- know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.

Act 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.---------YEP water and repentance (John's baptsim) for remission not sealed --------------

Act 2:41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.

Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.------------sorry I made it CLEAR it wasn't before all grieved losing him; ran to tomb to anoint the body, etc....

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Act 3:13 The God of Abraham, and of Isaac, and of Jacob, the God of our fathers, hath glorified his Son Jesus; whom ye delivered up, and denied him in the presence of Pilate, when he was determined to let him go.
Act 3:14 But ye denied the Holy One and the Just, and desired a murderer to be granted unto you;
Act 3:15 And killed the Prince of life, whom God hath raised from the dead; whereof we are witnesses.

1Co 15:3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
1Co 15:4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
1Co 15:5 And that he was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve:
1Co 15:6 After that, he was seen of above five hundred brethren at once; of whom the greater part remain unto this present, but some are fallen asleep.
1Co 15:7 After that, he was seen of James; then of all the apostles.

Act 3:19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;
Act 3:20 And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you:
Act 3:21 Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.
Act 3:22 For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you.
Act 3:23 And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people.
Act 3:24 Yea, and all the prophets from Samuel and those that follow after, as many as have spoken, have likewise foretold of these days.
Act 3:25 Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham, And in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed.
Act 3:26 Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities.

As you can see, the gospel that Peter preached was virtually identical to Pauls gospel. Baptism, even Peter stated, was but a confession:--------- he said it was to get the Spirit repent be baptised and then receive the Sprit Acts2:38------------

1Pe 3:21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

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[Mechaberean]

As I said above, no one can hope for that, this is a general statement. If the the uncircumcision did indeed keep the law, the he would need not be circumcized. However we cannot take this statement out of the context of the rest of the bible.



Not sure how this has any bearing, but I agree with you.

----------Thank you you see how that righteousness came by the law until the cross

[Mechaberean]

Oh my.....

Please get this my friend, if you get nothing else from this:
Joh 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
Joh 14:17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
Joh 14:18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.

Ever hear of the Trinity?
1Jo 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

----------Yep God would send Jesus and they are not the same---------

[Mechaberean]

They are distinct yet one in nature. I don't buy modelism where God apears as one of the God head at a time. So they are three in one. Jesus is one in nature but He is not the Holy Spirit sorry---------

[Mechaberean]

Here is the verse you omitted some from and I'll show ya where God help ya; Acts2:5 And there were dwelling at (Jerusalem Jews), devout men, out of every nation under heaven.
(in here)

[Mechaberean]

John14:18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.
19 Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.
20 At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.
----------Hmmm when He comes sounds future to me(vs.20), but the Spirit at pentecost.

[Mechaberean]

What happens is Jesus is supposed to sit at God the Father's right hand until his enemies are going to be conquered Stephen sees Jesus standing meaning it was going to happen but God postponed it obviously until after us; its called Daniels seventieth week.

[Mechaberean]

---------And your point is what about what I wrote? They still needed to be cricumcised it was an everlasting covenant whatever you say.

[LaMontre]

---------And your point is what about what I wrote?

That you misunderstand the purpose of circumcision. It was simply a sign, not a means to righteousness.

[LaMontre]

----------Thank you you see how that righteousness came by the law until the cross

Romans10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.(Could they say this before it happened;NO).

Is that what you believe this scripture says?

Actually righteousness was by faith, always, for all time.

Gal 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
Gal 3:17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.
Gal 3:18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.
Gal 3:19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

Get it now? The law was not given for the purpose which you are ascribing to it....ever.

Gal 3:21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.
Gal 3:22 But the Scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.

I feel like a broken record....maybe your just not reading my posts??