Pauline Dispensationalism

[LaMontre]

the earlier flock met were they did animal sacrafices and some believe they will in the Trib. and millenium. But it takes on a different meaning, no they had water baptism according to God's word in place of animal sacrafice this brought remission of sins.

Heb 9:22 And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.

But remission as any cancer patient knows could come back to infect and kill, I don't believe remission and redemption are the same or Jesus didn't need to die they had remission before the cross at repentance and John's baptism. Mark1:4 John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins. But Jesus in the garden I believe looked past,present and future and said father if there is another way take this cup from me, but there was no other way he knew about the repentance at water baptism for remission of sins,and everything.

So the blood of Christ was not effective, even after his ascention and the sending of the Holy Spirit until.....when?? :rolleyes

[HeIsEnough]

the earlier flock met were they did animal sacrafices

To be clear, you are stating the original Apostles performed the animal sacrifices all their lives after the cross, in accordance with the law of Moses. This is your claim, correct?

no they had water baptism according to God's word in place of animal sacrafice this brought remission of sins.

Where specifically in God's word, before the gospels, is water baptism commanded for the remission of sins.


But remission as any cancer patient knows could come back to infect and kill, I don't believe remission and redemption are the same or Jesus didn't need to die they had remission before the cross at repentance and John's baptism.Mark1:4 John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins. But Jesus in the garden I believe looked past,present and future and said father if there is another way take this cup from me, but there was no other way he knew about the repentance at water baptism for remission of sins,and everything.

You sort of lost me here. Jesus knew exactly what was needed, and water baptism never fulfilled that requirement. You're going to need to spell out specifically within the law of Moses where water baptism is commanded, what it specifically says transpires upon the act, etc...

[Mechaberean]

I do believe that, sure mercies of David were for him, the bible doesn,t say its for anybody else, I go by what the bible says if its silent im silent if its not I am not; or I try to be that way. It scares me to add to it, God says not too add or omit.

[Mechaberean]

Uriah murdered innocent blood and teh sure mercies surely didn't help him.

[Mechaberean]

I mean Joab 1st kings2:28 Then tidings came to Joab: for Joab had turned after Adonijah, though he turned not after Absalom. And Joab fled unto the tabernacle of the LORD, and caught hold on the horns of the altar.
29 And it was told king Solomon that Joab was fled unto the tabernacle of the LORD; and, behold, he is by the altar. Then Solomon sent Benaiah the son of Jehoiada, saying, Go, fall upon him.

[Mechaberean]

Heb 9:22 And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.



So the blood of Christ was not effective, even after his ascention and the sending of the Holy Spirit until.....when?? :rolleyes

------------Yep but mine proves they did works or no covered sin which is relevant to the subject----------

[Mechaberean]

To be clear, you are stating the original Apostles performed the animal sacrifices all their lives after the cross, in accordance with the law of Moses. This is your claim, correct?

-------nope they met where they were performed in the temple, thats what i'm saying--------

Where specifically in God's word, before the gospels, is water baptism commanded for the remission of sins.



You sort of lost me here. Jesus knew exactly what was needed, and water baptism never fulfilled that requirement. You're going to need to spell out specifically within the law of Moses where water baptism is commanded, what it specifically says transpires upon the act, etc...------well I never said it was before the gospel, I believe the gospels are Old Testament, No New Testament without the death of the testator(Hebrews), Jesus Himself said in the upper room His blood,and body would implement the New as Hebrews definately showed what He meant.----------

[Mechaberean]

Zechariah14:17 And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD(Jesus in the millenium) of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.
18 And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the LORD will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.
19 This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.
20 In that day shall there be upon the bells of the horses, HOLINESS UNTO THE LORD; and the pots in the LORD's house shall be like the bowls before the altar.
21 Yea, every pot in Jerusalem and in Judah shall be holiness unto the LORD of hosts: and all they that sacrifice shall come and take of them, and seethe therein: and in that day there shall be no more the Canaanite in the house of the LORD of hosts.Here is one reference I'm sure there are more.

[HeIsEnough]

------well I never said it was before the gospel, I believe the gospels are Old Testament, No New Testament without the death of the testator(Hebrews), Jesus Himself said in the upper room His blood,and body would implement the New as Hebrews definately showed what He meant.----------

Ok, so the Apostles did not need to, nor did they perform the sacrifices that the law of Moses commanded. We agree here, even if a few exceptions are recorded, such as Paul and James' well intentioned conciliatory offering to appease some Judaizers, it was not a question in the minds of the Apostles.

The second issue of baptism still stands for your consideration. Two fold actually, one being whether it was a commanded work for the Israelites, and when it was actually commanded.

[Mechaberean]

it was commanded at John's baptism, they could flee from the wrath to come at repentance and water baptism.