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BlessedinHim
June 22nd, 2007, 12:48 PM
Perhaps knowing the chronological order of Paul's letters might help in learning about and understanding Pauline dispensationalism. :idunno Anyway here they are.

Arranging Paul's letters in the order that he wrote them

We begin by setting up a time line of Paul's ministry. Paul was saved in Acts 9 when the Lord appeared to him on the road to Damascus. Paul would go on to write 13 letters in the New Testament—from the Letter to the Romans to the Letter to Philemon. When we remember that Paul is the subject of at least half of the Book of Acts, we realize that half of the 27 books in the New Testament are either about him (The Book of Acts) or were written by him (13 letters).

Paul's letters are arranged in our Bible by two principles: The letters to the churches are put first—nine letters from Romans to 2 Thessalonians, then the four letters written to individuals—from 1 Timothy to Philemon.

The letters are also arranged by length—Romans is longest and is first, then the Corinthian letters, then Galatians, etc. Longer letters are first, shorter ones later.

Paul's Letters in the order that he wrote them:

The first 6 of Paul's letters can be fit into the Book of Acts—we can read Acts and then read Paul's letters and we can see where Paul was when he wrote these letters.
The Letter to the Galatians is first

In Acts 13,14 Paul and Barnabas went on their first apostolic journey which took them into Galatia—cities like Antioch, Lystra, Derbe, etc. Soon after Paul returned from this journey he wrote the letter to the Galatians (see Galatians 1:6 where Paul writes to the Galatians and says, you are "so quickly turned."). Galatians was written soon after Paul returned from that first journey—soon after Acts 14:27. That makes Galatians the earliest of Paul's letters.
1 and 2 Thessalonians

The next letters Paul wrote are the two letters to the Thessalonians. In Acts 17, Paul, on his second apostolic journey, came to Thessalonica and preached there. Many were saved, but Paul was driven out of town. Paul continued on to Corinth where he wrote the two letters to the Thessalonians. Timothy's return from Macedonia mentioned in Acts 18:5 is also reported in 1 Thessalonians 3:6. And in 2 Thessalonians 2:5 Paul reminds the Thessalonians of his teaching, as if it had not been very long since he had been with them. So the writing of 1 and 2 Thessalonians can be placed into Acts 18 during Paul's ministry in Corinth, and that makes them the second and third letters that Paul wrote.
1 and 2 Corinthians

The next two letters that Paul wrote are the two letters to the Corinthians. In Acts 18 Paul spent a year and a half ministering in Corinth—see Acts 18:11. He later returned to his home base at Antioch (Acts 18:22), and later in his third apostolic journey he arrived in Ephesus (his ministry in Ephesus extends all the way through Acts 19—a period of more than two years, see verse 10). It is here in Ephesus during Acts 19 that Paul wrote 1 Corinthians—see I Corinthians 16:19. Shortly after that Paul traveled to Macedonia (see Acts 20:1 and 2 Cor. 2:13) and that is where he wrote the second letter to the Corinthians.
Romans

In Acts 20:2,3 Paul arrived in "Greece," i.e. in Corinth again, and spent three months there enjoying the hospitality of a believer named Gaius (mentioned in 1 Cor. 1:14). In Gaius's home, in Corinth, Paul wrote the letter to the Romans (see Rom. 16:23).

This is the last letter written during the Book of Acts. In Acts 21:33 Paul was arrested in Jerusalem, and would spend the next 5 years in prison, right through the end of the Book of Acts.

So, to sum up what we have seen so far, from Acts 9 through Acts 28 we read of the earlier ministry of the Apostle Paul and find that during these years he wrote 6 of his 13 letters. The order of these first six books is:

1. Galatians—end of Acts 14

2. 1 Thessalonians—Acts 18

3. 2 Thessalonians—Acts 18

4. 1 Corinthians—Acts 19

5. 2 Corinthians—Acts 20

6. Romans—Acts 20

In Acts 21 Paul was arrested and remained a prisoner through to Acts 28, and beyond.
The Prison Epistles—Ephesians, Colossians, Philemon, and Philippians

Shortly after the end of the Book of Acts, while he was still a prisoner, now in Rome, Paul wrote four letters—the "prison epistles": Ephesians, Colossians, Philemon and Philippians. In each of these letters he writes of his "chains"—see Ephesians 6:20, Colossians 4:18, Philemon 13 and Philippians 1:13.
The Pastoral Epistles—The letters to Titus, First and Second Timothy

Paul was released from this imprisonment and continued his ministry for a few years, perhaps 3 years. During this time he wrote the three letters known as the "Pastoral Epistles," because these letters were written to Paul's co-workers—Pastor Timothy and Titus. Finally at the end of his life he is again in prison. This time he anticipates being beheaded for the Lord and writes the last letter, Second Timothy.
Summary:

We have surveyed the 13 letters written by the Apostle Paul, arranging them in the order in which Paul wrote them:

During the Book of Acts—6 letters:

1. Galatians

2. & 3. The Thessalonian letters

4. & 5. The Corinthian letters

6. Romans

Then after the Book of Acts ends—7 more letters:

The 4 Prison Epistles:

7. Ephesians

8. Colossians

9. Philemon

10. Philippians

Then the 3 Pastoral Epistles:

11. Titus

12. 1 Timothy

13. 2 Timothy

Thank you for this information, I think I will copy and paste this into my microsoft word and print it out.:)

BlessedinHim
June 22nd, 2007, 12:54 PM
If we admit of the existence of a "modern dispensationalism" supposedly begun in 1800 or so, it would be that espoused by the likes of Miles Stanford, who the OP quotes extensively.

Any "Pauline Dispensationalism" worthy of the name is that implicit in the writings of Paul in the scriptures- Romans through Philemon.

What Miles Stanford describes in the article is in blatant disagreement with Paul's letters.
Paul received his revelation from Christ after the events of Acts 2. How one can err so greatly about the simple facts of scripture is hard to understand. Peter preached to Israel in Acts 2, 3, etc. Israel is not the church. The church, the Body of Christ began with Paul as its first member in Acts 9.

Nor did the 12 Apostles ever preach Paul's message. They were first sent out by Christ with a commission to go to Israel and after Israel had come to the feet of Messiah, they would then go to the whole world.

This never happened, as Israel fully rejected Christ both before and after the cross.

As Paul preached the Gospel Christ gave him in synagogues and later to the far off Gentiles (Ephesians Collosians etc.) the 12 apostles limited their activities to merely "feeding the flock", the circumcision Jews. (Acts 15 , Gal. 2)

This is what the scriptures teach when rightly divided. This "Word of Truth" was lost to most people while Paul STILL was alive. He wrote to Timothy-
"all that be in Asia have turned against me (my gospel).

I cannot understand how so-called "Acts 2 dispys" can take the stand they do nor why they do. It must be out of compromise with the false teachings of "Christendom."

Where?

BlessedinHim
June 22nd, 2007, 12:58 PM
I'll just say this Carol. We get and are admonished to look for some meaty doctrine in the old testament about Christ. He is all over the old testament, and our hearts are lifted when we see it. In the same way, when Christ was present on the earth, He spoke of the church to come. Many dispensationalists have criticized me for "reading back" into the gospels and seeing the church being spoken of. I'll stick with it because I also "read back" into the old testament and see Christ spoken of...

I, to, read all scripture.

2 Timothy 3:16
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

All of this is very exciting.

HeIsEnough
June 22nd, 2007, 01:05 PM
I, to, read all scripture.

2 Timothy 3:16
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

All of this is very exciting.

I'm just trying to stall off the beatings I've received in the past. :lol2

They were good brothers anyway, maybe not exactly correct, but good brothers anyway. :nod

:whisper Some are still here

BlessedinHim
June 22nd, 2007, 01:13 PM
ok, I was wrong on a point, and I want to clear that up. Here is a history of dispensationalism, and how it has changed through the years. Modern dispensationalism did not start in the 1800's, but it is called Neo dispensationalism which lends itself to the covenant theology. hehe, I was right and wrong at the same time. All these different outlooks of dispy is mind boggling. At this point, I think we are still on the right road here. the other road ends at the neo-dispensationalism.

here is the site with all the info:http://www.pembrokebiblechapel.com/dispchart.asp

I still may not understand it correctly, but, just post your points, I am interested in learning, not necessarily in being right. I am gonna go back and look that site over some more.

BlessedinHim
June 22nd, 2007, 01:22 PM
I'm just trying to stall off the beatings I've received in the past. :lol2

They were good brothers anyway, maybe not exactly correct, but good brothers anyway. :nod

:whisper Some are still here

Let the beatings begin, to live is gain, to die is Christ. Paul took more beatings than I will ever even have to think about encountering.

CarolLyn
June 22nd, 2007, 03:34 PM
ok, I was wrong on a point, and I want to clear that up. Here is a history of dispensationalism, and how it has changed through the years. Modern dispensationalism did not start in the 1800's, but it is called Neo dispensationalism which lends itself to the covenant theology. hehe, I was right and wrong at the same time. All these different outlooks of dispy is mind boggling. At this point, I think we are still on the right road here. the other road ends at the neo-dispensationalism.

here is the site with all the info:http://www.pembrokebiblechapel.com/dispchart.asp

I still may not understand it correctly, but, just post your points, I am interested in learning, not necessarily in being right. I am gonna go back and look that site over some more.

Hi Blessedinhim! I really appreciate your starting this thread. I was a "dispy" before I knew that any Christians believed any other way. Everyone carried a Scofield Bible and were taught what I (much later) found out was called dispensationalism. Guess I was nieve, but thank God, he protected me from false teachers. Based on the chart on your link, I guess I'm considered a traditional dispensationalist. One problem I have though with the chart is that it shows Traditional Dispensationalism going ---->to Progressive Disp.----->to Reformed Covenantism. This is absolutely not correct. I ended up (for the sake of family unity) being a member of a church that teaches Reformed Covenantism. Reformed Covenantism is the opposite of Dispensationalism. They don't even belong on the chart at all! They believe dispensationalism is heresy. If they knew I was a dispy, I don't know what they would do. Please don't tell! :whisper

Anyway, I was more interested to know the differences in belief between Pauline Dispensationalism and Traditional Dispensationalism rather than their history. I'm sure both would claim that theirs originated from the Bible. My concern is that some teach that only Paul's epistles are relevant to the church and that all of the NT books from Hebrews through Revelation are written to the Jews only and therefore are not relevant to the church today. I think this teaching is wrong. What I think they fail to understand is that the Bible was totally inspired by the Holy Spirit. None of it is man's writing at all! And that those books of the Bible, (Heb. thru Rev.) although written primarily to Jews, were written to Christian Jews who, by grace, through faith in Jesus, became part of the church. I do agree that the gospel of the kingdom (which was proclaimed in the four gospels) was meant for the Jews only. But even the four gospels contain a lot of teaching that is relevant to the church age.

All that being said, I am open and eager to learn and grow, as I know you are too. God gless you!

God's Trombone
June 22nd, 2007, 03:54 PM
The source for the info on "dispensationalism" is full of errors of fact.Go here instead www.bereanbiblesociety.org

The following individuals have been associated with dispensationalism:

Sir Robert Anderson (1841–1918), "Anglicanized Irishman of Scottish extraction", 1863 entered the Irish Bar; Assistant Commissioner of Metropolitan Police in Scotland Yard; lay preacher and defender of the Faith; saw difference between Israel and the Church; authored 19 books on the Bible.
Charles F. Baker (1905–1994), author (A Dispensational Theology), and founder of Grace Bible College, Grace Movement pioneer.
Hoyle Bowman, Professor at Piedmont Baptist College.
James H. Brookes (1830–1897), minister, writer, and theologian. Cyrus I. Scofield was one of his students.
John Hagee pastor Cornerstone Church , writer, and theologian. Founder of John Hagee Today tv and radio program.
Clarence Larkin (1850–1924), author of many pamphlets and books around 1918 containing extensive graphical dispensational charts with commentary[3]
Jack Chick (b. 1924), controversial fundamentalist cartoonist and founder of Chick Publications.
John Nelson Darby (1800–1882), British preacher, Plymouth Brethren co-founder, and considered by many as the "father of dispensationalism."
Arnold Fruchtenbaum (b. 1943), writer and theologian
Mark Hitchcock, pastor and author[4]
Thomas Ice, writer
Harry A. Ironside (1876–1951), pastor of The Moody Church, Chicago, and author of more than 60 books.
Tim LaHaye (b. 1926), minister, author of the "Left Behind" novel series, and speaker.
Hal Lindsey (b. 1929), evangelist and author of "The Late Great Planet Earth" and other books advocating a dispensationalist and fundamentalist understanding of Christianity.
J. Dwight Pentecost (b. 1915), writer and theologian
Charles Caldwell Ryrie (b. 1925), Christian writer and theologian. Better known for his "Ryrie Study Bible", which is known to teach dispensationalism.
Cyrus I. Scofield (1843–1921), minister, scholar, and theologian. Better known for his influential Scofield Reference Bible (published in 1909) that popularized dispensationalism.
Miles J. Stanford (1914–1999), Christian author and Pauline dispensationalist.
Charles Stevens, founder of Piedmont Baptist College.
Henry C. Thiessen, author of Lectures in Systematic Theology and taught at Dallas Theological Seminary.
Jack Van Impe (b. 1930), televangelist known for interpreting current events in light of a dispensationalist approach to biblical prophecy.
John F. Walvoord (1910–2002), longtime president of Dallas Theological Seminary and leading proponent of dispensationalism in the late 20th century.
Kenneth Wuest (1893–1962), New Testament Greek (Κοινή) scholar.

Yes, I confess,:shocked I copied and pasted, but you asked for the info. It isnt that hard to find on the net.:) but here it is for your ease.:)

Here is the link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dispensationalism

Majorgrace2
June 22nd, 2007, 04:05 PM
Thanks blessedinhim for the Pembroke Bible Chapel site. At first I thought it was the folk at Boulvard Bible Chapel in Pembroke Pines Florida because they had been talking about a meeting in the new section of houses out there. I rushed to the site to find out it was the other Chapel of brothers and sisters in Christ. :thumb:yeah:panic

Here is another site on dispensationalism.
http://www.brethrenonline.org/dispensationalism.html

God's Trombone
June 22nd, 2007, 04:19 PM
Forgive me if I've missed the obvious (I haven't had my coffee yet) but lets say I have two friends, one a Jew one a Gentile. I'm going to witness to my two friends, according to Pauline Dispensationalism do I witness to the Jew with one Gospel and the Gentile with another? If they both accept Christ will one receive kingdom promises and the other grace promises? Or is the dispensation of the kingdom gospel past and the gospel of grace for everyone?

Paul's letters Romans through Philemon answer your questions. In this time, "but now" as Paul says-
everyone, Jew and Gentile may be saved by believing on Jesus Christ and what He did for us on the cross. (I Cor. 15:1-4) So you would witness the same "Word of Truth" (Eph. 1:13) to each friend, Jew and Gentile. Upon believing- both would immediately become members of the Body of Christ and have eternal life.:thumb