Pauline Dispensationalism

[Mechaberean]

David saw it too.

Act 2:29 Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day.
Act 2:30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;
Act 2:31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.
Act 2:32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.

The implication is that the prophets knew what they were writing about.

As here:
1Pe 1:9 Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.
1Pe 1:10 Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:
1Pe 1:11 Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.

I am sorry, but to suggest that it was completely unknown simply cannot be Pauls point regarding the mystery.

With such scriptures as these, that conclusion simply makes no sense. And so, the sense of it has to be forced upon the scriptures by removing the problem from the context. That is, by simply saying that such scriptures as these are not to be applied to the current dispensation. Has a disturbing similarity to the method of many cults.

I find it intersting that this scripture;
Rom 16:24 The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen.
Rom 16:25 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,
Rom 16:26 But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:

Is in the context of this one;
Rom 16:17 Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.
Rom 16:18 For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.
------------1Peter1:10 Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:
11 Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.
12 Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven; which things the angels desire to look into.------not for them but for us,why because prophecy is future.

[HeIsEnough]

not just say stuff.

Friend, I don't just say stuff.

[BlessedinHim]

I asked a question about whether there were 2 gospels or not, and I agree with this answer. from www.gotquestions.org

the Gospel is the same
preached by all the apostles and all the early Christians. There is no
difference between the writings of Paul and the writings of Peter. In
fact, notice Peter's words in his last letter:

2 Peter 3:15-16 "And count the patience of our Lord as salvation, just
as our beloved brother Paul also wrote to you according to the wisdom
given him, 16 as he does in all his letters when he speaks in them of
these matters. There are some things in them that are hard to
understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as
they do the other Scriptures."

Peter here affirms Paul's Gospel. There is nothing here to suggest
that Paul and Peter would disagree, even though we know that Paul did
confront Peter about his dealings with the Gentiles (Galatians 2). Paul
was converted through the same Gospel that Peter preached, Stephen
preached, and other key early Christian members.

What is the Gospel? A quick summary is found in 1 Cor. 15:1-6. Please
look at this short outline for more details:

1. Greek - Is derived from the Greek word euaggelion, which is where we
get the word "evangel"
a. Thayer - "The proclamation of the grace of God manifest and pledged
in Christ
b. Mark 1:1 - The opening line uses the word for Gospel, and therefore
shows that Jesus is the Jewish Messiah and the Son of God
i. Jewish Messiah
1. Genesis 12:3 - Fulfills the promises of Abraham.
2. Genesis 49:10 - The Messiah would come from the line of Judah, and
Jesus did.
3. From the lineage of David (2 Sam. 7:14; Jeremiah 23:5)
ii. Son of God
1. Psalm 110:1 - Most often used verse by the New Testament writers to
communicate the Sonship of Jesus
2. Matthew 22:42-45 - Jesus quoted Psalm 110 to refute the Pharisees
about the authority by which he did his work.
3. Acts 2:34-36 - Peter preached on Pentecost that Jesus is both "Lord
and Christ."

2. Resurrection - The resurrection is mentioned 19 times in the book of
Acts (1:22, 2:24, 31-32, 3:26, 4:2, 10, 33, 5:30, 10:40, 13:22, 30-37,
17:18, 32, 23:6, 26:23).
a. Acts 2:32-38 - The fact of the bodily resurrection was the reason
that Paul told the hearers to repent.
b. 1 Cor. 15:1-4 - The Gospel includes the death, burial, AND
resurrection of Jesus Christ.
c. 1 Cor. 15:14, 17 - Our faith is worthless / in vain, our preaching
is futile, and we are still in our sins if the resurrection is not true.
d. Romans 10:9 - Jesus as Lord and His resurrection are both parts of
the Gospel message.
e. Acts 17:32 - People sneered at Paul's resurrection of the Gospel,
but it did not invalidate message, for the cross and its message
foolishness to those who are perishing (1 Cor. 1:18).

3. Christ's Substitutionary Death - Jesus had no sin (1 Peter 2:22; 1
John 3:5; 2 Cor. 5:21; Hebrews 4:15, etc.) and thus could be a perfect
sacrifice to satisfy God the Father.
a. 1 Peter 3:18 - Jesus died for our sins even we didn't deserve
ANYTHING!
b. The penalty of sin is physical and spiritual death (Romans 6:23) and
separation away from God forever (2 Thess. 1:9; Acts 17:30-31).
c. Justification - We are made righteous in the sight of God by our
faith, not our works (Romans 5:1-9; Eph. 2:8-9).
d. The wrath and the love of God must be simultaneous in the Gospel
message-God is equally both (John 3:16-20, 36; Romans 1:18-20).

[LaMontre]

There were some, I agree. I didn't mean to imply Abraham was exclusive, just that I believe Abraham was a central figure in Paul's teaching, because it was revelation knowledge of the scriptures by the prophets. God made the message 'fully manifest' to Paul.

I understand. Just using your comments as a springboard (so to speak). :)

[LaMontre]

---------I didnt say they werent saved I sayed they could walk away from it.I wish you would pull my quote your responding too and not ad lib. Until then I ignore ya.

Ignoring me is the only option you have since you obviously have no biblical defense of your doctrine.

[LaMontre]

Also Jesus said this and this is how it was under the law Luke18:18 And a certain ruler asked him, saying, Good Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?
19 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God.

Thus your works for salvation doctrine is defeated.

Jesus didn't say believe on the cross and my work there for its not of works lest man should boast aw contrare He said the opposite until the cross.

No, he was making the point that if the man believed him to be good, he would have to believe him to be God. This is a great support for the deity of Christ, but not any support for your works based salvation. (ya big silly) :heh

[LaMontre]

--------maybe you can be more specific about where in scripture Abraham saw what, not just say stuff.

Your obviously not paying attention (as I have suspected all along):

Joh 8:56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.

(Quoted probably three or more times in this thread)

[LaMontre]

------------1Peter1:10 Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:
11 Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.
12 Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven; which things the angels desire to look into.------not for them but for us,why because prophecy is future.

:scratch

[Mechaberean]

Friend, I don't just say stuff.

well back it up please with scripture

[Mechaberean]

Your obviously not paying attention (as I have suspected all along):

Joh 8:56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.

(Quoted probably three or more times in this thread)

----------which day His second coming or first? His second as a lion and a king, thats what Israel saw and looked forward too, as i said many bible teachers will tell ya they saw the lion not the lamb the king not the suffering saviour.