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Sing4Him
September 18th, 2008, 08:37 PM
"A Whole New Species of Church Is Emerging"



by Tamara Hartzell
In the Name of Purpose

There is a "Christian" book that epitomizes the current path of the counterfeit Christianity, which is emerging as the old faith crumbles away. Although there are many such books published now, Growing Spiritual Redwoods by William Easum and Thomas Bandy 1provides a clear illustration of the "new way of thinking," and has been acclaimed as "perhaps the best book about church transformation."2

Bill Easum is "one of the pioneering pastors of the church growth movement," and is "one of the most highly respected church consultants and Christian futurists in North America."3 Tom Bandy "consults with congregations for church growth and transformation," and "congregational and denominational leaders regard Tom as one of the leading thinkers and writers today."4 The two joined forces to form Easum, Bandy and Associates, which consults "with churches of every size and culture" and links "countless" leaders through "one of the largest religious interactive websites in North America."5

In spite of the blatant (New Age) New Spirituality in their book, Growing Spiritual Redwoods has received high praises by men who are popular leaders themselves in today's Christianity. Rick Warren, Lyle Schaller, and Leonard Sweet--whose own books are self-evident that he has fallen for the (New Age) New Spirituality6--have given this book the following endorsements:

"This may be the most significant study book for congregational leaders published in this century."--Lyle Schaller (Growing Spiritual Redwoods--front cover)

"An epoch-marking--if not epoch-making-book. For a church living off of checks that reality won't cash, this book is like an acid bath accounting from the bank examiners. There is no better audit of the collapse of the Christendom era, and no better audition for how to do ministry in the new world, than this one."--Leonard Sweet (GSR; back cover)

"Every passage of this book contains spiritual nuggets of truth that can help your church to grow healthy and strong."--Rick Warren (GSR; back cover)
In addition to this glowing endorsement, after he wrote The Purpose Driven Life, Growing Spiritual Redwoods was given five stars in one of Rick Warren's Ministry Toolbox newsletters for 2003.7 And on Easum and Bandy's website under, "What Christian leaders have to say about Tom Bandy," the following praise by Rick Warren is still posted (more praise by Leonard Sweet and also by Brian McLaren is included there as well):

"'I try to read everything Tom Bandy writes. He is always thought-provoking and helpful.'"--Rick Warren 8

According to Tom Bandy, "a whole new species of church is emerging." This emerging church is "not a machine"--"preoccupied with theological purity, ideological correctness, and behavioral conformity"--but "an organism." This "organism" "worships differently, thinks differently, and depends on an entirely different kind of leadership."9 This "new species of church" is the "Spiritual Redwood" growing in the midst of the diverse, cultural "forest" (GSR; p. 21). Click here for endnotes and to read this entire chapter from In the Name of Purpose-->> http://inthenameofpurpose.org/chp22.htm



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Meezerluvr
September 19th, 2008, 06:17 PM
And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness. 2Thess. 2:11,12.

InHisGrip
September 19th, 2008, 06:38 PM
Yet another name to be on the look out for. The list is getting long!

His Bride
September 19th, 2008, 07:45 PM
Churches are growning and becoming exponential in size! Too bad Christianity is shrinking in the U.S. because of apostate doctrine and teachings! Something wrong with this picture?

Buzzardhut
September 19th, 2008, 07:52 PM
Churches are growning and becoming exponential in size! Too bad Christianity is shrinking in the U.S. because of apostate doctrine and teachings! Something wrong with this picture?

They are building a giant army of lost individuals, as bad as when catholicism became dominant in the 300's.

NowAlive
September 19th, 2008, 08:55 PM
Those poor souls they're pulling into their false brand of spirituality will be all prepped to be handed over lock, stock and barrel when the days arrive.

Wide is the path and broad is their gate.:tsk

sojourner52
September 19th, 2008, 10:18 PM
so what do you do if your church starts heading that way? bail out? or try to reach the ones you can?

for example, I teach the kids in my church. I am given a pretty free hand in how I do this and I do my best to get them grounded in the Bible.

If I left, who would teach them, and what would they teach them?

would it be abandoning my own ministry if I left?

InHisGrip
September 19th, 2008, 10:36 PM
so what do you do if your church starts heading that way? bail out? or try to reach the ones you can?

for example, I teach the kids in my church. I am given a pretty free hand in how I do this and I do my best to get them grounded in the Bible.

If I left, who would teach them, and what would they teach them?

would it be abandoning my own ministry if I left?

Those are questions that many of us have struggled with. I think that you have to meet with your pastor to see if you can head this off before it gets a foothold. Having already been in your position, I can tell you that there is no easy answer, especially as you look into the eyes of these children every Sunday. We chose to bail out, based on the meeting with our pastor and his refusal to budge from this course. There was a lot of prayer and a lot of pouring through Scriptures to come to this conclusion.

I recommend starting with your pastor and elder or deacon board and see if you can reach them. Pray, pray and pray some more before you approach them. :pray Once you have done that, then you have some decisions to make.

Make sure you work this through the way God's Word instructs you to, so that you have no doubts when you come out of this that what you have done is the right thing.

sojourner52
September 19th, 2008, 10:53 PM
it isnt an issue yet.

but we do have a new pastor - and this is his first position as pastor, so he's not terribly mature. He seems a little enchanted with the mega churches and how they do things.

I am watching and praying.

BigSuze
September 19th, 2008, 11:40 PM
Even though my church is going down the "emerging" path, complete with spiritual formation, there is such a spirit of fear in the church that we cannot even discuss these matters without fear of punishment. Silence has been imposed. I do not know how a person manages in times like these; there is a desire to warn the flock, but we are effectually muzzled.