Daniel, and revival in America - what's needed first?

[ANewCreature]

This may be on the wrong board - there are about 4 I thought it could go under.

Just considering the Book of Daniel - not just Chapter 9, but the way Nebuchadnezzar (sp?) was brought to acknowledge God's Lordship. (Whether he saw Him as his own Lord and followed Him, I don't know - but he clearly saw God as Lord in the way one day "every knee will bow...")

What we need is to stop thinking of other things as being able to help us. Nebuchadnezzar needed to come to an end of seeing himself as the one who had built great Babylon; but in Daniel's prayer he also needed to come to see that God was sovereign, that he - and the rest of the nation - was sinful, and they acouldn't save themselves.

Personally, I have come to dislike anytime anyone mentions a (name of preacher) revival - Billy Graham, D.L.Moody, Johnathan Edwards, all have been instruments of God, part of His team to do great things. How can God get the glory when some person is trying to share it. That includes every preacher, but also every politician; even those supporting Godly principles need to realize that it's not through those principles this nation can have revival. This nation can only have revival by God's supernatural cleansing us from sin.

It doesn't mean we'll be perfect - there was still the evil stench of slavery after the Grat Awakening (first and second). But, it has to be something God does, through His Holy Spirit.

Which means whoever wins, we need to see it as a chance for God to work. Not for people to work. Lest we need to be brought to our knees like Nebuchadnezzar was.

[lmenningen]

...I have come to dislike anytime anyone mentions a (name of preacher) revival...Does that apply to the Biblical prophets who were also instruments in teaching revival?...there was still the evil stench of slavery after the Great Awakening...How am I to understand the times God Himself set up slavery systems, or the times God instructed people to treat their slaves fairly?

[ANewCreature]

Does that apply to the Biblical prophets who were also instruments in teaching revival?How am I to understand the times God Himself set up slavery systems, or the times God instructed people to treat their slaves fairly?

Good questions.

1. The Biblical prophets never said, "I am doing this in my name." They never set out for personal glory, whereas while there are plenty of evangelists who are doing God's work, the ones in mega-churches and who try to publicize themselves all over TV nowadays seem to be drawing attention to themselves. And, while I'm not against a person talking about a person as a great evangelist, I see a lot of people nowadays putting the person ahead of God.

2. Why bring up the systems God set up when it had nothing to do with African slavery, which was based on racism? And why bring up slaveholders who treated their slaves kindly when many abused and/or raped their slaves and treated them like dirt? Just because there were some who used something in a decent way does not mean it culdn't be evil.

Mods, I don't want this turning into a fight over semantics like other threads have. Please remove this if you think it's going to, or just close it. I believe in putting God first and not man. I don't like seeing people put man ahead of God. I have been told by several people the number one thing I must keep in mind is never to touch the glory. Obviously, I just didn't communicate that well if someone had that first question. As for the second, it is just too disconnected, and too likely to cause an argument. I am not coming back to this thread.

[His Bride]

I believe that God brings revival to individual hearts. the bible does not tell us that there will be a great national revival in the last days, but a great falling away before Jesus returns. If you believe as I do that we are expecting His return to be at any moment, and that what we are seeing is a great falling away from the faith then we should be praying for hearts to turn and to be saved.

[Robert]

Does that apply to the Biblical prophets who were also instruments in teaching revival?How am I to understand the times God Himself set up slavery systems, or the times God instructed people to treat their slaves fairly?


The system that God set up was more of an indentured servant system than a slavery system; this was done so that an israellite or even a whole family could pay back a debt. There were rules that had to be obeyed, or the servant had to be freed; such as striking a servant to to the point it caused physical damage. Additionally, there was a limit of seven years that one could be a servant and then had to be freed, along with the great jubilee, where land was returned to it's former ancestral owners.

The books of Exodus, Leviticus and deuteronomy contain the actual laws pertaining to these.

[Sing4Him]

bible does not tell us that there will be a great national revival in the last days, but a great falling away before Jesus returns.:nod:nod
The church of Laodicea is here.. the one Jesus will spue out of His mouth. No revivals.