Punished Forever?

[Paul M]

Mark 9:42 And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better to enter into life maimed ,than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:

Where THEIR WORM DIETH NOT, AND THE FIRE IS NOT QUENCHED.

And if thy foot offend thee cut if off : it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched.

Where THEIR WORM DIETH NOT, AND THE FIRE IS NOT QUENCHED.

And if thy eye offend thee pluck it out : it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God than having two eyes to be cast into hellfire:

Where THEIR WORM DIETH NOT, AND THE FIRE IS NOT QUENCHED.

I wish you people who keep denying the reality of eternal punishment and torment for unbelievers would would be honest and just say that you think Jesus Christ was a liar. Scripture is plain as day on the subject and to teach otherwise is apostasy .

[Paul M]

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[Saved by Grace_06]

amen!

[Paidfor]

LOLOL.. uh-huh *nods wisely* Ok, so I still have no idea.:idunno Didn't when I read it, either. John MacArthur's argument matches yours, though (I think, LOL). I am not sure where I read it - I think it was in a David Reagan book, but he was quoting someone else. If I can find it again, I'll let you know.

I admire David Reagan. I don't agree with him on this, but I pass it along for informational purposes.


http://www.lamblion.com/articles/prophecy/issues/PI-05.php (http://www.lamblion.com/articles/prophecy/issues/PI-05.php)

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Another point of view — the one I hold — takes the position that immortality is conditional, depending upon one’s acceptance of Christ. I believe the Bible teaches the unrighteous will be resurrected, judged, punished in Hell for a period of time proportional to their sins, and then suffer destruction (the death of body and soul).

[Ryan]

I believe that we would all be in agreement that the Anti-christ and the false prophet of Revelation chapter 13 are men. By this I mean they are human beings, flesh and blood as we are.

Now let us turn to Revelation 19:20; "And the beast was taken and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the image of the beast, and them that worshiped his image. These both were cast alive into the lake of fire burning with brimstone"

Now in Revelation 20:1-3 we read; "And I saw an angel come down from heaven, haveing the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years, and cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fufilled and after that he must be loosed a little season"

Now let us look at Revelation 20:7 "and when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,"

Then Revelation 20:10 "And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the best and the false prophet "are" and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever."

The beast and false were cast alive into the lake of fire in Revelation 19:20, in Revelation 20:1-3 is the begining of a thousand years, Revelation 20:7 the thousand years has pasted and now Satan is cast in to the lake of fire, and the beast and the false prophet are still there after a thousand years.

It would seem if the beast and false prophet and were still in the lake of fire after a thousand years then they will remain there and "be tormented day and night for ever and ever."

[cabbie]

I tend to agree with Larry Nivens theory from his book Inferno, that Hell is the violent ward for the theologicaly insane. Also someone made a good case that i printed out and lost that there is a way out but it will come slowly to souls cast there because they wont want to see the truth. But it backed up the possibility with scripture.

[Aliya]

I admire David Reagan. I don't agree with him on this, but I pass it along for informational purposes.


http://www.lamblion.com/articles/prophecy/issues/PI-05.php (http://www.lamblion.com/articles/prophecy/issues/PI-05.php)

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Thank you! That is it.. I read it in one of his books. Clearly, all of us would prefer that he be right, but I will trust in God's righteousness to do what is just.

[lisa]

Mark 9:42 And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better to enter into life maimed ,than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:

Where THEIR WORM DIETH NOT, AND THE FIRE IS NOT QUENCHED.

And if thy foot offend thee cut if off : it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched.

Where THEIR WORM DIETH NOT, AND THE FIRE IS NOT QUENCHED.

And if thy eye offend thee pluck it out : it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God than having two eyes to be cast into hellfire:

Where THEIR WORM DIETH NOT, AND THE FIRE IS NOT QUENCHED.

I wish you people who keep denying the reality of eternal punishment and torment for unbelievers would would be honest and just say that you think Jesus Christ was a liar. Scripture is plain as day on the subject and to teach otherwise is apostasy .

These are the verses that I keep coming back to as well. "The fire is not quenched." Jesus quoted Isaiah the prophet. Isaiah only said it once. Jesus said it 3 times. I personally need to pay heed to anything my Savior wanted to tell me repeatedly.

[Hootmon]

I don't have to prove anything. It is what it is. The doctrine of eternal ****ation has been a cardinal Christian doctrine since the church began. Why I'm I to believe otherwise today? That doesnt prove anything. If it did we would all be either Catholic or Orthodox.


Furthermore, there are no difference between the False prophet or the Anti Christ, and the unregenerated sinner. No difference? Scripture seems to say otherwise.


Apart from the grace of God, you could be "the" false prophet or the Anti Christ, or Hitler. And, I could too. Also, it is important to know that those who go to hell grow in their hated for God. Those who were adulterers and liars and thieves and blasphemers, etc., do not repent, but grow in their wickedness. Which verse(s) are you referring to?


Thus, the eternal wrath of God is expressed on them forevermore. Wrath can persist even after its target is gone. Your reference to Hitler demonstrates this.


Jesus spoke often of the eternality of Hell. In Matthew 25:46 Jesus said, "And these shall go away into everlasting punishment."Hell is eternal. I already stated that several times.

As far as 'everlasting punishment' is concerned... Once punished, always punished.

[Hootmon]

Hootman-

So, it definitely sounds like you're open to the thought of eternal punishment? Just think about it. Could be...The Punishment IS Eternal. Scripture clearly states that.

Its the notion that the 'Punishment' must be equal to 'Torment' (punishING) that isnt clearly stated for most of the unrighteous dead.