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I'mready
October 18th, 2008, 04:01 AM
Quote from wikipedia

In North America, Christian attitudes towards Halloween are quite diverse. In the Anglican Church, some dioceses have chosen to emphasize the Christian traditions of All Saints Day, while some other Protestants celebrate the holiday as Reformation Day, a day of remembrance and prayers for unity. Celtic Christians may have Samhain services that focus on the cultural aspects of the holiday, in the belief that many ancient Celtic customs are "compatible with the new Christian religion. Christianity embraced the Celtic notions of family, community, the bond among all people, and respect for the dead. Throughout the centuries, pagan and Christian beliefs intertwine in a gallimaufry (hodgepodge) of celebrations from October 31 through November 5, all of which appear both to challenge the ascendancy of the dark and to revel in its mystery."

Many Christians ascribe no negative significance to Halloween, treating it as a purely secular holiday devoted to celebrating “imaginary spooks” and handing out candy. Halloween celebrations are common among Roman Catholic parochial schools throughout North America and in Ireland. In fact, the Roman Catholic Church sees Halloween as having a Christian connection. Father Gabriele Amorth, a Vatican-appointed exorcist in Rome, has said, "If English and American children like to dress up as witches and devils on one night of the year that is not a problem. If it is just a game, there is no harm in that." Most Christians hold the view that the tradition is far from being "satanic" in origin or practice and that it holds no threat to the spiritual lives of children: being taught about death and mortality, and the ways of the Celtic ancestors actually being a valuable life lesson and a part of many of their parishioners' heritage. Other Christians, primarily of the Evangelical and Fundamentalist variety, are concerned about Halloween, and reject the holiday because they believe it trivializes (and celebrates) “the occult” and what they perceive as evil. A response among some fundamentalists in recent years has been the use of Hell houses or themed pamphlets (such as those of Jack T. Chick) which attempt to make use of Halloween as an opportunity for evangelism. Some consider Halloween to be completely incompatible with the Christian faith due to its origin as a Pagan "festival of the dead." In more recent years, the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Boston has organized a "Saint Fest" on the holiday.
Some Wiccans feel that the tradition is offensive to "real witches" for promoting stereotypical caricatures of "wicked witches". However, other Neopagans, perhaps most of them, see it as a harmless holiday in which some of the old traditions are celebrated by the mainstream culture, albeit in a different manner.


Happy Halloween:falsep:devil

Buzzardhut
October 18th, 2008, 05:42 AM
making pagan days holy days has always been their m.o.

pegmo
October 18th, 2008, 10:32 AM
Buzz, you beat me to it. If you check, almost all of the Catholic Holy Days have a pagan holiday as their base. Paganism with a very think Christian veneer.....

His Bride
October 18th, 2008, 12:04 PM
making pagan days holy days has always been their m.o.

Yes, and a pig that has been washed is still a pig.

ZeldaCA
October 18th, 2008, 01:18 PM
I seem to remember November 1 being a holy day of obligation for the Catholics..."All Saints Day" or something like that? It was a day which honored the dead, and I believe some cultures thought the dead could actually walk the earth for the 24 hours around this day (which would mean starting around Halloween night....).

Gotta love that Roman Catholic Church for providing its flock with truly meaningful holy days....NOT. :tsk

His Bride
October 18th, 2008, 02:46 PM
I seem to remember November 1 being a holy day of obligation for the Catholics..."All Saints Day" or something like that? It was a day which honored the dead, and I believe some cultures thought the dead could actually walk the earth for the 24 hours around this day (which would mean starting around Halloween night....).

Gotta love that Roman Catholic Church for providing its flock with truly meaningful holy days....NOT. :tsk

Growing up Catholic, we kids would trick or treat on October 31st, bring in a haul of candy, and spend the entire next day, because we had no school in honor of All Saints Day, eating our stash! What a concept!:lol2

Buzzardhut
October 18th, 2008, 05:40 PM
Yes, and a pig that has been washed is still a pig.

with lipstick! :fear

Growing up Catholic, we kids would trick or treat on October 31st, bring in a haul of candy, and spend the entire next day, because we had no school in honor of All Saints Day, eating our stash! What a concept!:lol2

Ishtar has lots of candy too!

ZeldaCA
October 18th, 2008, 06:14 PM
Growing up Catholic, we kids would trick or treat on October 31st, bring in a haul of candy, and spend the entire next day, because we had no school in honor of All Saints Day, eating our stash! What a concept!:lol2

:lol2 So the "dead people" would be the kids, after eating candy all day and then having a sugar crash! :nod

His Bride
October 18th, 2008, 06:38 PM
:lol2 So the "dead people" would be the kids, after eating candy all day and then having a sugar crash! :nod

:aha From our perspective it was great! Not to mention deadly! Glad I grew up and am saved!

Daniel1210
October 18th, 2008, 07:21 PM
Here's another story about Nov 1st and Nov 2nd:

Here's one version of Halloween origins, this is a Mexican holiday, and the reason for 'treats'. Oddly, Asians have a holiday very similar to this.

Dia De los Muertos

When: November 1st and 2nd

Translated to English, this is "The Day of the Dead". In actuality, Dia De Los Muertos is not one, but two days spent in honor of the dead. The first day celebrates infants and children who have died. This is a group which is believed to have a special place in heaven and are referred to as "Angelitos" or little angels. The second day is in honor of adults who have passed away.

While the culture in the U.S. is to shy away from discussions of death, Mexicans embrace death. They use Dia De Los Muertos as an opportunity to celebrate the death and the life of loved ones and friends they knew in this world. And it is a day of celebration, not a day of mourning. While not alone in the world in celebrating death, it is certainly uncommon and would make someone from the U.S. very uncomfortable at first. Note, the Chinese also celebrate their dead in a similar manner.

Dia De Los Muertos was celebrated in late July and early August by Aztec Indians for thousands of years. When the Spaniards conquered Mexico in the 1500's, they looked upon this celebration as a pagan ritual. In an effort to eliminate it, they moved it to the date of All Saints and All Souls Day in November. The effort failed, and the Aztecs along with all Mexicans continue to celebrate the holiday.

On Dia De Los Muertos, people prepare a feast with many of the favorite dishes of lost loved ones. Pan de Muertos or "Bread of the Dead" is a traditional bread which is baked and eaten during this celebration. Mementos are set out of favorite things of the the ones who have passed away.

Visiting the cemetery is a popular tradition. At the cemetery, the tomb or burial plot is decorated. The cemetery visit is spent in a picnic environment. The air is filled with music from Mariachi bands while the scent of a wide variety of foods wafts through the air. Fireworks are also common.