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Saved by Grace_06
July 3rd, 2007, 10:44 AM
Everything of course, except where He decides to sift man and let man discover for himself, like here:



Or here, when God shows His true heart in how He cares for all men, as we should as well.



He governs by making sure He calls every man to account, that every man should turn to Him and live, lest He leave them be and they would surely not turn to Him and live. God is good, all the time.


I do not doubt that God in his sovereignty allows man to makes choices. That much is certain. I am just saying that above all choice is God's allowing, else the result from the choice would not have ever occured. Moreover, I am saying that God is sovereign even above our choices and may or may not, frustrate our wills in order to either bring them to nothing, or to establish them bigger than what we planed. Finally, I am saying that God surely did not leave salvation up to man because if he did, no one would have chose him.

HeIsEnough
July 3rd, 2007, 10:59 AM
I am just saying that above all choice is God's allowing, else the result from the choice would not have ever occured. Moreover, I am saying that God is sovereign even above our choices and may or may not, frustrate our wills in order to either bring them to nothing, or to establish them bigger than what we planed. Finally, I am saying that God surely did not leave salvation up to man because if he did, no one would have chose him.

I agree, nicely stated.