Question...

[Saved by Grace_06]

"The lot is cast into the lap, but its every decision is from the LORD."--Proverb 16:33


Is there anything that isn't governed by God?

[Hootmon]

Define what you mean by 'governed'...

[Saved by Grace_06]

What I wanted to know is if God is in control of everything. For instance: A dice roling in Los Vagas Is God in that God's descion?

This is a fun thought, with profound implications, I feel.

[Hootmon]

I would say that the 'ordinary' is just that.

God invented 'Nature'. He set up the rules by which things operate. That being said, I rather doubt He is involved in every roll of the dice unless there is a particular reason to be.

I just boiled pasta for dinner. Was God 'in control' of every bubble?

[christfollower]

I would say that the 'ordinary' is just that.

God invented 'Nature'. He set up the rules by which things operate. That being said, I rather doubt He is involved in every roll of the dice unless there is a particular reason to be.

I just boiled pasta for dinner. Was God 'in control' of every bubble?

I agree! Ya know, people love saying "everything happens for a reason"... For whatever reason, that makes people feel better if they feel as though it was for some greater purpose. And indeed there are certainly times that that might very well be the case. But if I am driving and there comes a fork in the road and I accidently took a left instead of a right did God make that happen? Did I avoid a wreck that I might have been headed straight for? Did that then make someone else get in a wreck in my place? I doubt it. There are such things as accidents.

I don't at all believe that God is making every single thing happen at every sinlge moment. He allows it to happen, but He doesn't MAKE it happen if that makes sense. From time to time He make have a greater influence on certain situations, but this isn't every second of every day that He is doing this. That is my understanding and belief of how He works at least...

[Leialoha]

I would say that the 'ordinary' is just that.

God invented 'Nature'. He set up the rules by which things operate. That being said, I rather doubt He is involved in every roll of the dice unless there is a particular reason to be.

I just boiled pasta for dinner. Was God 'in control' of every bubble?

Hey, we are having pasta for dinner too. I expect that God is in control, as He set up the laws which govern how water and temperature in combination provide a reaction.

[Saved by Grace_06]

I would say that the 'ordinary' is just that.

God invented 'Nature'. He set up the rules by which things operate. That being said, I rather doubt He is involved in every roll of the dice unless there is a particular reason to be.

I just boiled pasta for dinner. Was God 'in control' of every bubble?

God didn't just invent nature and let nature take its course to govern over the world and us (You should be glad!). God is personal and is in total control of everything.

"Are not two sparrows sold for a penny? And not one of them will fall to the ground apart from your Father." --Matt 10:29

What's the significance of that? If something as small as a bird, in the deepest and darkest parts of the Brazilian jungles, does not occur apart from God's will, what's to stop God from controlling the molecular structure of your boiling pan to keep it over control? Answer: ALL things, from the minutes molecule, to the greatest catastrophe, is under the control of the uncreated Creator, Almighty God. He's that BIG!

[Saved by Grace_06]

I agree! Ya know, people love saying "everything happens for a reason"... For whatever reason, that makes people feel better if they feel as though it was for some greater purpose. And indeed there are certainly times that that might very well be the case. But if I am driving and there comes a fork in the road and I accidently took a left instead of a right did God make that happen? Did I avoid a wreck that I might have been headed straight for? Did that then make someone else get in a wreck in my place? I doubt it. There are such things as accidents.

I don't at all believe that God is making every single thing happen at every single moment. He allows it to happen, but He doesn't MAKE it happen if that makes sense. From time to time He make have a greater influence on certain situations, but this isn't every second of every day that He is doing this. That is my understanding and belief of how He works at least...

What's the difference between God allowing something to happen, e.g., a hate crime where Jesus is murdered, and making something occur, e.g., a hate crime where Jesus is murdered? There is no difference because anything that ever occurs happens because God allows it. Consider a few scriptures:

Who has spoken and it came to pass, unless the Lord has commanded it? Is it not from the mouth of the Most High that good and bad come? --Lam 3:37-38

Consider the work of God: who can make straight what he has made crooked? In the day of prosperity be joyful, and in the day of adversity consider: God has made the one as well as the other, so that man may not find out anything that will be after him. -- Ecc 7:13-14

The plans of the heart belong to man, but the answer of the tongue is from the LORD. -- Prov 16:1

The lot is cast into the lap, but its every decision is from the LORD. -- Prov 16:33

There are more scriptures than these, but I'd make the post too long. I just wanted to show you that, at least from scripture, we can know that nothing ever happens apart from God's will. What God foreordain in eternity past, is what occurs in time. God is never surprised by anything, nor does he ever have to change his mind, because all things occur as he ordained them to occur. For this reason, I think Shakespeare said it best:

"All the world is a stage, and the men and women are merely players."

[BlessedinHim]

SBG06 if God allowed it to happen, He didnt make it happen. He allows the natural course of events, that is why sometimes there are miracles.


and I have an off topic question for you, why do you seem to enjoy circular arguments? First you say he governs, then you say he makes, then you say he allows.

"All the world is a stage, and the men and women are merely players."
and more you are a puppet you are not a puppet calvinist slant.

I mean this in the best way, but you cannot have it both ways. Either you think we are puppets, or you dont think we are puppets.

[Robbinson]

I don't at all believe that God is making every single thing happen at every sinlge moment. He allows it to happen, but He doesn't MAKE it happen if that makes sense. From time to time He make have a greater influence on certain situations, but this isn't every second of every day that He is doing this. That is my understanding and belief of how He works at least...

This is what I believe as well. I do believe that God is capable of interceding at any time, but I don't believe He chooses to do so at all times. I imagine there is an ultimate plan and that, in the larger scheme of things, all things always work out in a manner consistent with God's plan and for the greater good (whether we can understand it or not) - but this doesnt meant that God participates actively in everything we do (like my choosing these words at this moment in time in this reply). I do believe in God's ultimate soverignty, so if it His will to intervene, He can and and will. To SBG's point, there clearly are scriptures that speak to God's participation in all things, but there are scriptural verses that also speak of man's choices and actions. Its one of the great debates/quagmires of scripture.

Regards,