Anyone listened to Bill Cloud?

[sandylion]

He is a messianic teacher who is teaching that the Church is Israel. NOT as in Replacement Theology, but as he calls it, "Placement Theology". In otherwords, the Olive Tree of Romans 11 is made up of both Israel and the Gentile believers.

My issue with him is that he doesn't seem to explain who the Bride of Christ is. And, he doesn't make it clear whether he is building on previous biblical revelation regarding the church or replacing our past understanding with his "new" revelation.

I am wary, although I do find what he says to be intriguing. Here is his website and the teachings I am referring to are the Mysteries of the Kingdom and the Joseph Factor 1&2. His teaching is not for novice believers.

Have any of you RR folks heard of him? He has been teaching along side Chuck Missler recently.

I would prefer to discuss this only with people who know who he is and have heard his teachings. I don't want to start a huge uproar here :pray

http://www.billcloud.org/

[jeremypool]

Does he have a weekly radio show or is he on TV?

[Raymer]

I used to hear him do teachings with Perry Stone. I never heard him say anything that went against the Bible. He did a lot of in depth Hebrew studies. I have not heard anything from him in years, so I do not know if he is still legit. I would however be surprised if he strayed from the truth. All I can say is to test all things with scripture.

By the way, I have been reading Rapture Ready for many years now, but have just re-registered recently. Thanks to all for the great posts. :) Kathy

[DerRickster]

K-House is starting to really embrace Bill Cloud and his teachings. I know- I volunteer up here at KHouse. Bill's teaching is heavily influenced by a guy named Brad Scott (www.wildbranch.org) Brad believes in the lost tribes nonsense which most likely also believes the Two House Heresy. Brad also believes that the New Testament was originally written in Hebrew.

Bill Cloud is friends with Eddie Chumney (who is an Two House advocate).

Sandylion, I'm also concerned that Bill Cloud does not explain who the Bride of Christ is. I'm afraid that these yahoos do not make the distinction between the church and Israel.

My take on Bill Cloud, Brad Scott, Eddie Chumney, Batya and Angus Wootten (pioneers of the Two House Heresy), etc. is this- they are <censored swear word> wannabe Jews. Jesus made it very clear that those who call themselves Jews and who are not are in fact the Synagogue of Satan.



We are living in the last days....I really believe that apostasy will infiltrate even the most solid of ministries. So please pray for KHouse. They need discernment.

[Caver]

I believe I heard Mr. Cloud once teach on the possible placement of America in biblical prophecy in relation to the "leased vineyard" to temporally produce the fruit intended to be produced by Israel. If so, this lease was to be up somewhere between middle 2007 and mid 2008.

The teaching was some while ago, before the rumblings and shaking that started right as he predicted.

[JY11]

I've never heard of the man--and from what I'm reading here it may be just as well!

[palmaceae]

I have heard Bill Cloud speak in person, he is very good!

[iSong6:3]

For anyone not yet familiar with the Two-House heresy, Sing has a sticky in the Cults forum.

I heard Bill Cloud speak, can't remember what he said right now, just that there were too many red flags that were not Biblical, more Hebrew Roots (as opposed to Messianic) dangers.

I will try to do some googling now to see if I can find out more to add here.

[ttdunn]

I just went to a Chuck Missler conference in Couer d"alene and he was one of the featured speakers. He is a very good speaker on all things about Israel. I did not think anything he said was unbiblical or in conflict with scripture. Besides, Missler would not invite anyone to participate in one of his own conferences who was not teachings the true Word of God.

[icebear]

Besides, Missler would not invite anyone to participate in one of his own conferences who was not teachings the true Word of God.


you would think so... i also would.... but lately it seems that large numbers of once solid teachers are suddenly dropping like flies, into heresy. its scary.

Missler has some unusual ideas, but none that i would call heretical right now, but i'm starting to worry because associations have been becoming very sticky and men that should be rejecting certain 'friendships' are suddenly embracing them. it makes me feel rather reluctant to accept any teacher as sound on the basis that a currently sound teacher is endorsing him.

its sad, but i have seen my listening options dwindle from about 35 or so scholars down to about 7, two of which have passed away. :shocked

its sad to watch once great brothers in Christ (were they ever?)falling away so quickly.