The Two Witnesses: Enoch & Elijah?

[Sunny]

i agree with most of the consensus here, Enoch and Elijah. there is also the prophecy that Elijah will come again, kind of a tricky one.

howver, i do have questions about it being appointed unto man once to do die. there were hundreds of people throughout the Bible that were raised from the dead. what information do any of you have concerning your studies about this 'seeming' incongruity.

in all my years, i have never found a discrepancy in the Bible that was not easily explained through actual study, so i'm not worried. LOL

[AngelsWings]

God raised many from the dead throughout History, Why could he not do so for Moses?

In regards to Enoch and Elijah because they were taken without death because it is appointed to man once to die then the judgement, that thinking rules out the rapture of the bride of Christ. That means we must all die and cannot be taken up without seeing death.....:thinking

BTW, Enoch was of Adams line and was the Grandfather to Noah. How does this make him a Gentile?

I think that Enoch is a type of the Church who will never taste physical death. I lean toward Moses and Elijah because of the Mount of Transfiguration as do many scholars. Why else would Jesus be discussing His coming death with them when he was transfigured? Also, the 2 witnesses are ONLY preaching to the Jews. Not to the Gentiles. It is our job as the Church to invite all the Gentiles to the Wedding Feast of the Lamb, so why would'nt the 2 witnesses be 2 of the greatest prophets ever??

BTW, Enoch was a prophet of God proclaiming the coming Flood that would destroy mankind....kind of like the Church who is (or should be) professing the coming destruction of the World at the 2nd coming of Christ.....:thinking

JMHO:idunno

[icebear]

Lazarus...

[Hootmon]

Lazarus...Yeah. The 'appointed to die once' is a general principle and not a strict rule.

Enoch and Elijah are the usual suspects, but you can also make a good case for Moses and even John.

Bottom line is that we dont know for sure because Scripture doesnt tell us for certain. In fact, there is no scriptural reason why they even have to be anyone you have ever heard of before.

[fracturedInfinity]

Bottom line is that we dont know for sure because Scripture doesnt tell us for certain. In fact, there is no scriptural reason why they even have to be anyone you have ever heard of before.

Indeed. For all we know, it could be two angels that God sends down for this very purpose. Angels have been known to take human form to carry out God's will.

[ZAGS]

I'm pretty sure one will be Elijah. The other could be either Enoch or Moses. There are convincing arguments for both. But who knows for sure is God. Then again God could throw a curve ball and send two others we may not even know about.

[Tres Wright]

No one is going to recognize either of the three, so even if God has given clues to whom they are, what would be the purpose of knowing that in advance? For the non-believers left behind, they are not going to say, "see I told you it was so and so". And if we are correct, we will know once we are Raptured. So, I suppose my question is how would knowing the exact two help?


Excellent point. I guess one reason identity might be important is because everyone, believers and non-believers alike, know who Moses is. Moses himself reappearing on Earth might get more attention from the unbelievers than someone they've never heard of. Then again we're talking about unbelievers here and I imagine most would doubt that it really is Moses. What matters more than who they are is what they're saying. I think that it shows God's incredible grace that he is giving the unbelievers so many chances to repent. He's given His son, He's giving them his lampposts for 3-1/2 years even though He knows they too will be murdered, and if that's not enough He has written down how the whole thing will play out in the most read reference guide in the world. And yet still many (most?) left behind will still turn away :tsk Can you imagine the great sadness the Lord will feel at having to lose so many children at Armageddon? He wants to save every last one of us.

[It's Jesus for me]

God made man from "Dust", then told Satan he would "eat dust".

Satan, as a roaring lion devours all "Flesh", eventually, but when Moses died Satan laid claim to his body but it wasn't given to satan, WHY???

Jude 1:9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses,

God buried Moses's body.

Elijah went to heaven in a whirlwind, he didn't die, but Jesus said John the Bap was "ELIJAH" in "Spirit". (soul)

Jews ask if he was the "Literal Elijah" that went to heaven in the whirlwind, he said no, they didn't ask about the "Spirit" inside.

If John wasn't "Elijah", the prophecy failed and Jesus lied.

Mt 11:14 And if ye will receive it, this is Elias, which was for to come.

There's only "TWO WITNESSES", no more.

Zec 4:12 And I answered again, and said unto him, What be these two olive branches which through the two golden pipes empty the golden oil out of themselves?

13 And he answered me and said, Knowest thou not what these be? And I said, No, my lord.

14 Then said he, These are the two anointed ones, that stand by the Lord of the whole earth.

Moses and Elijah standing by Jesus on the Mt of Transfiguration should convince everyone who they are, but if that is not enough consider the following.

Moses killed a man in Egypt, according to the law, he must be killed by man, this occurs during the trib, no jot/tittle of the law goes unpaid.

Moses body wasn't given to satan to "devour", he will be "Resurrected",

Elijah's body was "raptured" to heaven, both are returning, both are killed and lay in the streets "THREE DAYS",

Both will be resurrected/raptured into heaven,

All of these signs of course point toward Jesus, but there one point many miss,

Like Jesus's body that never saw "Corruption" (decay) neither will the Bodies of the Two witnesses see corruption.

[Chicken5516]

Have you seen or heard of one of the Movies that purposely did not want a big name star because they thought it would take away from the plot line of the movie?
Like it would become all about that big star instead of the essence of the movie so they used people who were less well known.

I think this is one reason why God will not use Moses as one of the witnesses.
The whole world knows who Moses is.
The Ten Commandments and all that.

Plus I remember hereing a study about the fig tree and How our Lord grafted in the gentile branches to make it as it were a hybrid.

FOr that reason i think that one witness will have to represent the Jew's
and one will represent the gentiles.

Enoch is a Gentile.
Elijah is of Hebrew blood.

My thinking is that it will be Enoch and Elijah.


Interesting opinion here. I like it...makes a lot of sense!! I have always favored Enoch and Elijah. :thumb

[Penguin]

[quote=AngelsWings;911377]God raised many from the dead throughout History, Why could he not do so for Moses?

This one is interesting and very true. However, this is after the rapture we are talking about, and Moses can not die after the rapture. None of us can. 1 Corinthians 15:53 this mortal must put on immortality.