Church of God a cult?

[gt40]

Oh I hate to do this, The Truth is not in the COG. A man by the name of Ronald Weinland claims to be the Spokesman of the two end time prophets sent to preach in God`s holy city Jerusalem. Mr weinland has published two books I believe between 2004 and 2006 the latter being titled {2008 God`s final witness} 100% complete non sense he also teaches his church is the only true church.

[wife]

Oh I hate to do this, The Truth is not in the COG. A man by the name of Ronald Weinland claims to be the Spokesman of the two end time prophets sent to preach in God`s holy city Jerusalem. Mr weinland has published two books I believe between 2004 and 2006 the latter being titled {2008 God`s final witness} 100% complete non sense he also teaches his church is the only true church.

WRONG CHURCH OF GOD!!!!

since I cannot edit my above post

This is the one you are talking about http://www.cog-pkg.org/

this is the one We are talking about http://www.churchofgod.org/

[Constantine I]

Wow, denomination called Church of God a cult? Who would have thought? They have such a convincing name for a Christian church....

False prophets everywhere now....

[Buzzardhut]

Wow, denomination called Church of God a cult? Who would have thought? They have such a convincing name for a Christian church....

False prophets everywhere now....
The package has to be as pretty and deceptive as possible

[wife]

Wow, denomination called Church of God a cult? Who would have thought? They have such a convincing name for a Christian church....

False prophets everywhere now....

The Church of God Cleveland TN is not a cult:preach

[heybales219]

Sometimes I wonder why this thread is even still open. :scratch

In reference to Kliska's post about some of the CofG's statement of faith that he/she finds quesitonable, I'd like to take issue with baptism by immersion onlly.

Isn't the act of baptism a "re-enactment" (for lack of a better phrase) by the beliver of Christ's death, burial and resurrection? Then why would baptism by immersion only worry you? I, too, used to attend a CofG, and visited several others, none of which tied baptism to salvation as you are afraid might tend to happen.

Your argument that that the CofG ties salvation to baptism in the HS/speaking in tongues is a stretch too. I was never taught that a sign of someone's salvation is the indwelling of the HS and hearing that person speak in tongues. Some here, and other mainline denoms, teach and believe that a believer receives the HS at salvation; the CofG believes the indwelling of the HS and salvation two separate events, which might be a stretch on their part, I'll admit. Evidence of the baptism in the HS is speaking in tongues, as taught by the CofG, but since the baptism in the HS is a separate "event" from salvation, speaking in tongues cannot therefore be a "sign" of someone's salvation.

All in all, I love the CofG, though I presently do not attend it. It was solid Biblical teaching, and in my little CofG in Ohio (and others in the southern Ohio region), the end-times were taught and not swept under a rug like in most evangelical churches today.

[heybales219]

The Church of God Cleveland TN is not a cult:preach
:agree :thumb

[Buzzardhut]

In reference to Kliska's post about some of the CofG's statement of faith that he/she finds quesitonable, I'd like to take issue with baptism by immersion onlly.

Isn't the act of baptism a "re-enactment" (for lack of a better phrase) by the beliver of Christ's death, burial and resurrection? Then why would baptism by immersion only worry you? I, too, used to attend a CofG, and visited several others, none of which tied baptism to salvation as you are afraid might tend to happen.
Proper baptism is immersion after salvation, not for salvation.
If this cofg church does not teach baptism and holy spirit gifts for salvation then they are not cultic in that area.
I don't know anything about them.
I do know about the Worldwide church of God!

[Waiting...]

Proper baptism is immersion after salvation, not for salvation.
If this cofg church does not teach baptism and holy spirit gifts for salvation then they are not cultic in that area.
I don't know anything about them.
I do know about the Worldwide church of God!

A simple search on the CofG website will reveal that baptism is not for salvation. I feel like we keep going around the same topic. Will this thread ever end?

[Kliska]

Sometimes I wonder why this thread is even still open. :scratch

In reference to Kliska's post about some of the CofG's statement of faith that he/she finds quesitonable, I'd like to take issue with baptism by immersion onlly.

Isn't the act of baptism a "re-enactment" (for lack of a better phrase) by the beliver of Christ's death, burial and resurrection? Then why would baptism by immersion only worry you? I, too, used to attend a CofG, and visited several others, none of which tied baptism to salvation as you are afraid might tend to happen.

Your argument that that the CofG ties salvation to baptism in the HS/speaking in tongues is a stretch too. I was never taught that a sign of someone's salvation is the indwelling of the HS and hearing that person speak in tongues. Some here, and other mainline denoms, teach and believe that a believer receives the HS at salvation; the CofG believes the indwelling of the HS and salvation two separate events, which might be a stretch on their part, I'll admit. Evidence of the baptism in the HS is speaking in tongues, as taught by the CofG, but since the baptism in the HS is a separate "event" from salvation, speaking in tongues cannot therefore be a "sign" of someone's salvation.

All in all, I love the CofG, though I presently do not attend it. It was solid Biblical teaching, and in my little CofG in Ohio (and others in the southern Ohio region), the end-times were taught and not swept under a rug like in most evangelical churches today.

You're missing the overall point of my posts. These are things to watch out for, not that they automatically make a particular church a cult, or mean they are teaching heresy. These type of teachings are what lead some to teach that 1) baptism by immersion only is the only real baptism, and 2) that it is necessary for salvation. Also, 3)that since the baptism of the Holy Spirit is required for salvation in some teachings that someone not baptised of the Holy Spirit is not saved. 4) Since tongues is the initial sign of the Holy Spirit, if one has not spoken in tongues, then they must not be saved.

I'm not saying a particular church teaches this. I am saying that I would be cautious and gather plenty of info on a church with anything resembling these teachings in their statements of faith. That's it.

1 Thessalonians 5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.