What will martial law be like?

[Joseph The Carpenter]

I have a question for those who do not believe in self defense or protecting your family, should we have police?
If you knock on my door and ask for a meal I will feed you, if you kick my door in I will defend my home and family.
As for the topic of this thread, I do not think there are enough people in the military or police to make a difference in rural areas of America. The government will only be able to control the cities, and the democrat party already does.

[I'llFlyAway]

For me, it's "you can have my Bible or gun when you pry it from my cold dead fingers." I don't want to live in a world where "the authorities" can just march into my home, threaten my family and take whatever they want. Same goes for the thugs.

[dynamicrealism]

Yes, be a realist and protect yourself as this is what Jesus did, right?

WRONG. When they came into the garden and the disciple drew his sword and struck the soldier, Jesus got angry. I don't believe the Bible says "you will be persecuted for my name's sake, but be sure and defend yourself even to killing your enemies." No, LOVE your enemies, turn the other cheek, to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord.

No need for further comments, we can just agree to disagree on this one. :)


I understand your interpretation, as I used to be a follower of it myself. However, YOU are not Jesus, nor do you have the burden of his mission on your shoulders. No one has and no one ever will again. There was a context he told us to turn the other cheek in. At first glance, it may appear like he is telling us always to be pacifists, but this is not so. Jesus was speaking about bearing insults when they happen, and not seeking revenge. Self defense had nothing to do with that verse.

Now what about trusting in God? Isn't defending oneself and family against having faith? NO
1 Timothy 5:8 says: "But if anyone does not provide for his own, and especially for those of his household, he has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever."

With that said, the framers of the constitution were biblical christians alike, and thus evidently concluded we were reminded of the inalienable right to self-defense.

[Texas Girl]

Yes, be a realist and protect yourself as this is what Jesus did, right?

WRONG. When they came into the garden and the disciple drew his sword and struck the soldier, Jesus got angry. I don't believe the Bible says "you will be persecuted for my name's sake, but be sure and defend yourself even to killing your enemies." No, LOVE your enemies, turn the other cheek, to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord.

No need for further comments, we can just agree to disagree on this one. :)

:hug Yes, I agree to disagree. :hug

[Gomenasai]

So you both would be okay with killing another human before they had a chance to turn to God? I'm sorry, I just don't see it that way. Dun worry Sopo, I know exactly what you mean. Although, when the event comes and someone dies because of your action, don't beat yourself up over it. Obviously it couldn't have been avoided, and it was all part of the Lords plan. I agree with you though, and I think its best to avoid deadly force whenever possible. If you can chase them out before shooting them, do so. If you can even shoot them in the foot and drive them to a hospital, I'd say, go for it! There are plenty of things that can be done before you have to take someones life. But like I said, if it does come you had to strike them down, no other choice, I dont believe the Lord will hold him over your head. But I firmly believe this is the absolute last course of action protecting your loved ones. Not that we shouldn't love our enemies as well (and everyone else for that matter), but when they are the agressor, sometimes we must do drastic things to protect others.

Its all about having the ability to discern the best route in the situation, there are people in america who'd call themselfs christians, and honestly believe if anyone comes on their property they have the right, in mans laws and Gods, to kill him, no questions asked. I think its INSANE to come up to the front door with a shotgun, screaming, "WHOS THERE!", and start blastin. Unless im mistaken and that only happens in movies, lol. Im sure none of us here agree with that though. And since he must be threatening your life according to mans laws. But even then, if you say you were scared and thought you saw him reaching for a weapon and you convince them you were scared for your, and your famlies life, your off the hook. But God knows what they did. (actually i have a friend who calls himself christian, is racist, goes hunting, and seems to be blood thirsty. I have no doubt he would blast any intruder immidiately.)

[11r]

All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.

[Gomenasai]

All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.

Good quote, and true. But Im sure none of us stand for doing nothing. If we're on the same subject, theres quite a bit in between doing nothing and pulling a trigger. I appriciate your input though! :)

[11r]

Good quote, and true. But Im sure none of us stand for doing nothing. If we're on the same subject, theres quite a bit in between doing nothing and pulling a trigger. I appriciate your input though! :)

There's alot thats been said. I can see both sides. That quote came to mind as I read this thread.
I like the one dynamicrealism posted better. 1 Timothy 5:8

[Compatriot G]

Dun worry Sopo, I know exactly what you mean. Although, when the event comes and someone dies because of your action, don't beat yourself up over it. Obviously it couldn't have been avoided, and it was all part of the Lords plan. I agree with you though, and I think its best to avoid deadly force whenever possible. If you can chase them out before shooting them, do so. If you can even shoot them in the foot and drive them to a hospital, I'd say, go for it! There are plenty of things that can be done before you have to take someones life. But like I said, if it does come you had to strike them down, no other choice, I dont believe the Lord will hold him over your head. But I firmly believe this is the absolute last course of action protecting your loved ones. Not that we shouldn't love our enemies as well (and everyone else for that matter), but when they are the agressor, sometimes we must do drastic things to protect others.

Its all about having the ability to discern the best route in the situation, there are people in america who'd call themselfs christians, and honestly believe if anyone comes on their property they have the right, in mans laws and Gods, to kill him, no questions asked. I think its INSANE to come up to the front door with a shotgun, screaming, "WHOS THERE!", and start blastin. Unless im mistaken and that only happens in movies, lol. Im sure none of us here agree with that though. And since he must be threatening your life according to mans laws. But even then, if you say you were scared and thought you saw him reaching for a weapon and you convince them you were scared for your, and your famlies life, your off the hook. But God knows what they did. (actually i have a friend who calls himself christian, is racist, goes hunting, and seems to be blood thirsty. I have no doubt he would blast any intruder immidiately.)

I would advise that an individual NOT shoot an intruder in the foot, then drive them to the hospital. You could very easily be charged with a crime. Use of deadly force is a serious matter. Once you shoot somebody, leave them alone and call 911. Let the EMS personnel take care of their injuries. If you render aid, it may be perceived that use of deadly force wasn't justified in this case. I know it sounds harsh and unchristian, but if you feel deadly force is justifiable, then you need to aim center mass and keep firing until the person stops doing whatever it was that caused you to shoot them in the first place.

[Gomenasai]

There's alot thats been said. I can see both sides. That quote came to mind as I read this thread.
I like the one dynamicrealism posted better. 1 Timothy 5:8
But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel.

Good verse. But I think this is more than just stocking up on food. The one who does not provide, cannot provide because he avoids his dutys, he is a sloth.

proverbs 6:6
Go to the ant, O sluggard,
Observe her ways and be wise

I may not be stockpiling food, but if the time comes, I will not sit here and not go out and look for it. Even if it be catching grasshoppers... there've been a lot around here recently!

Don't get me wrong, if your in the position to spend money on it and feel lead to do so, do it! Perhaps I should sell my computer... its the only thing I have of value, but then how could I come to raptureready? :doh I really need a job. My mom certainly is in no position to start preparing for something that may not even happen, or have use for though. Shes going in the hole just buying the food we eat every month :( I seriously need to find one soon