The Crucifixion & Resurrection

[TrueChild]

http://http://kosherjudaism.org/forum/link.php?url=http://www.outreachjudaism.org/crucifix.html

Can anyone sufficiently explain the contradictions are shown in the link?

Regards,
TrueChild

[Abba'sLil'Girl]

I'd love to, but I'm having trouble linking to the site . . .

[TrueChild]

Hmm ... sorry about the link. Let me try again:

http://kosherjudaism.org/forum/link.php?url=http://www.outreachjudaism.org/crucifix.html

[Abba'sLil'Girl]

Hmm ... sorry about the link. Let me try again:

http://kosherjudaism.org/forum/link.php?url=http://www.outreachjudaism.org/crucifix.html

Thanks. Got it. :)

Quick answer . . . when dealing with eyewitness accounts of the same event, not all eyewitnesses will record the events exactly the same. One may record a certain detail that others don't feel is necessary. Does this mean the event didn't occur? No. It just means that people are individuals and record or remember details that make an impression upon them.

For example, one of the "contradictions" stated in the website is regarding Jesus' last words. Matthew and Mark record Jesus as saying "My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?”. Luke records “Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit.” and John, “It is finished.” Could He not have said all three? Just because one writer does not include what another did, doesn't necessarily mean it's a "contradiction". It's just a different view of the same event from an individual perspective. So, if you and I were to sit down and listen to a speach given by someone, I can guarantee that we won't include the exact word for word statements of that speaker. You will remember what individually impressed you. True?

We could debate item for item, but the bottom line is if Jesus Christ was not crucified and resurrected as hundreds of eyewitnesses claimed and as is recorded by men who went to their deaths defending this claim, then why are we talking about Him 2000 years after the fact? If His body was decaying in a tomb somewhere, then why didn't the Roman or Jewish authorities present the body as proof of His death to dispell the claims that He had risen and kill the rapidly growing sect of Christianity? Keep in mind this claim was not only a problem for Rome, but the Sanhedrin as well. Both had political reasons to prove their position.

Let me ask you a question. Would you willingly die for a lie that you knew was a lie?

[CitySearcher]

In the end, there will always be contradictions that mankind has created to confuse and blind seekers of God and His plan of salvation.

I like to use the example of the change Christ's disciples had. Here were 11 men that were scared to death that this Jesus was not the Messiah they had thought. He came to Jerusalem to become King, but instead He is going to lay His Life down for what? That's what the disciple thought, and many ran away and hid, afraid to suffer the same fate as the man they had loved and followed. The Man who had spoken the Truth to them on dozens if not hundreds of occasions.

But what happens next? A sudden and drastic transformation of spirit and wisdom. These 11 began a remarkable campaign to spread the Truth to the world. These 11 willingly laid down their lives for this belief. I do not know of anyone let alone a whole group of men who will willingly give up their lives if the message they are bringing in made up from lies and plots.

Why didn't the Romans and/or the Jews just produce a body...any body and lie about it? Why didn't they arrest all of his followers and charge them with removing a corpse from a heavy guarded tomb?

One can question the Scriptures all they want, but it still will not change the Truth of its' Words. I would use caution when examining God's Word. I don't believe it serves a useful purpose to try to use the OT to refute the NT. IMHO

[Buzzardhut]

Thanks. Got it. :)

Quick answer . . . when dealing with eyewitness accounts of the same event, not all eyewitnesses will record the events exactly the same. One may record a certain detail that others don't feel is necessary. Does this mean the event didn't occur? No. It just means that people are individuals and record or remember details that make an impression upon them.
yep
4 Gospels, 4 different perspectives
It's sad the chart's author didn't' spend his energy searching out why they are different
It's obvious the 4 accounts are different
A false cult would cover up those facts, the Bible leaves it exposed and the translators faithfully retained it.

[Veillifted]

yep
4 Gospels, 4 different perspectives
It's sad the chart's author didn't' spend his energy searching out why they are different
It's obvious the 4 accounts are different
A false cult would cover up those facts, the Bible leaves it exposed and the translators faithfully retained it.

i agree with this statement wholeheartedly!:preach

[TrueChild]

I'd like to ask how the "literal word of God" can contain so many contradictions.

I do agree that eyewitnesses "see" different things. However, if those eyewitnesses were "inspired by God", how possibly could they make so many mistakes?

[Abba'sLil'Girl]

I'd like to ask how the "literal word of God" can contain so many contradictions.

I do agree that eyewitnesses "see" different things. However, if those eyewitnesses were "inspired by God", how possibly could they make so many mistakes?

In translation, "literal" simply means that the translation respresents the original text, i.e., it is recorded as accurately as possible to reflect the words and intent of the writer.

Being "inspired by God" doesn't make one infalible. We know that God is infalible, however, man is not. Yet, when one studies the history of how the early church made painstaking effort to ensure the accuracy of the Gospel of Christ was spread throughout the known world and understands that the Holy Spirit who draws all men unto God and teaches them His ways works within the corporate body of believers to bring about the Kingdom of God, then one can trust that God is able to get His message across despite the falible condition of humankind.

Bottom line: Do you trust God to work through man to get His message across? If He is truly Sovereign, then you betcha He can. :) Question is, are we open to His teachings and are able to recognize His prophets or messengers?

[wife]

you have have to remember that each person was writing to a different group of people.

A doctor
A lawyer
A teacher and
A construction worker
would all write thing different. The fact that they all say Jesus died and rose again is what is important...