rapture is an "American church" doctrine???

[Anddra]

I do not see that a hope for the rapture, a keen interest in prophecy (which is in keeping with a keen interest in the scriptures), a desire to lead our lives here in a way that is pleasing to God and to spread the Gospel of Jesus as being in any way incompatible. If anything, prophecy and the coming rapture make the others more urgent.

[Candi]

I could have sworn that I read last night in one of Sing4Him's posts that she used the word APOSTATE in referring to those who don't focus on the rapture.

The reason why most churches don't teach on alot of the end times is due to the fact of the whole rapture timing thing...

Do you think that those who aren't constantly thinking about a rapture will get left behind? Is God going to forget those who have a personal, intimate relationship with him? Has the whole rapture belief become it's own denomination?

Does God have a plan for everyone's life other than just the rapture?

The OP post is because she heard the rapture doctine was an "American" one.
In doing geneology in the past and spending hours reading church records and stuff, the belief they all held back then was in a resurection of the dead at the 2nd coming. That was what they believed was the "blessed hope"...
Not the rapture.

I'm not saying I don't believe in the rapture.... I just set all that stuff aside and wanted to spend more time for christian growth.... because I for one think that is most important.

I also believe it's so important to know why we believe such things, and to study for ourselves ... to wipe the slate clean and let the Holy Spirit teach us without depending upon what others have always taught.

I guess while I'm on a roll here.. lol.... I have one more complaint....
And that is seeing how some respond to the jews as more important to God than we are...
Jews or not.... they are either saved or they are not. We all get saved the same way.
To those who are saved, we are all a part of the body of Christ.

[Candi]

I do not see that a hope for the rapture, a keen interest in prophecy (which is in keeping with a keen interest in the scriptures), a desire to lead our lives here in a way that is pleasing to God and to spread the Gospel of Jesus as being in any way incompatible. If anything, prophecy and the coming rapture make the others more urgent.


There's nothing wrong with that...

And there's nothing wrong with christians who don't study the rapture.
I think most don't because they believe that God is control and it gets complicated when it comes to different timing theories. It's not a salvation issue...

[BLESSED BEYOND BELIEF]

Henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at that day: and not to me only, but unto all them also that love his appearing. 2 Tim 4:8

Oh, the delight we take in "looking unto Jesus" and "love His appearing" . As Jesus left this earth, so shall He return! We shall meet Him soon in the clouds!

Sing, thank you for the reminder of this Scripture! :thumb

[BrideOfChrist]

The rapture is when Christ gathers up His bride to be with Him forever. For a Christian not to be interested in the study of Bible prophecy, to me, is like a bride not interested in her bridegroom. Of course it's not a requirement for salvation, but the focus of the Christian who is oblivious to Bible prophecy tends to be on earthly matters/social issues rather than setting their affections on things above. That was my experience anyway. The study of eschatology also helps a Christian to fully understand Scripture. Aren't we to "study to shew ourselves approved unto God"? Without studying prophecy, a huge piece of the story is missing. A good chunk of His Word is devoted to eschatology.

Anyway, I feel so privileged to be living now. And I am so grateful that God has opened up my eyes and my heart to His soon return. :)

[bkp1]

Maybe people believing pre-trib, mid-trib, post-trib was God's intention. While all of the pre-tribbers are stocking up on Bibles, highlighting scripture, stashing letters, etc for those left behind. The Mid and post-tribbers are stocking up on food, water, supplies, digging caves out under their homes, buying generators, etc.

I may have gone a little overboard with the cave thing, but those left behind will have everything they need to make it through the tribulation once they organize.

[Biblenuggetlady]

Maybe people believing pre-trib, mid-trib, post-trib was God's intention. While all of the pre-tribbers are stocking up on Bibles, highlighting scripture, stashing letters, etc for those left behind. The Mid and post-tribbers are stocking up on food, water, supplies, digging caves out under their homes, buying generators, etc.

I may have gone a little overboard with the cave thing, but those left behind will have everything they need to make it through the tribulation once they organize.


God is not the author of confusion. There is a crown for those who love His appearing...I don't see one for cave digging and storage. The pre-trib rapture believers are the ones that have an urgency on their heart to get folks saved BEFORE the rapture happens and keep people OUT of the tribulation.

[bkp1]

God is not the author of confusion. There is a crown for those who love His appearing...I don't see one for cave digging and storage. The pre-trib rapture believers are the ones that have an urgency on their heart to get folks saved BEFORE the rapture happens and keep people OUT of the tribulation.

No, God is not the author of confusion. However, believing in the rapture does not determine whether you are saved or not. Believing in Jesus Christ as your personal savior does.

My point is that all of the supplies that are being stored by pre-trib, mid-trib, and post trib believers will be very useful for those loved ones, neighbors, or looters left behind.

[Buzzardhut]

The reason why most churches don't teach on alot of the end times is due to the fact of the whole rapture timing thing...Because they lack understanding


Do you think that those who aren't constantly thinking about a rapture will get left behind? Is God going to forget those who have a personal, intimate relationship with him? Has the whole rapture belief become it's own denomination?don't be silly, it's only 1 of our 22 fundamentals


Does God have a plan for everyone's life other than just the rapture?more silliness
Do we have other posts here that do not discuss the rapture?
that should answer your question


The OP post is because she heard the rapture doctine was an "American" one.
In doing geneology in the past and spending hours reading church records and stuff, the belief they all held back then was in a resurection of the dead at the 2nd coming. That was what they believed was the "blessed hope"...
Not the rapture.the Blessed Hope is the appearance of Jesus Titus 2:13
Jesus appears once at the rapture and again at the second coming


I'm not saying I don't believe in the rapture.... I just set all that stuff aside and wanted to spend more time for christian growth.... because I for one think that is most important. Both are important. Why just have one and not the other? Who is making you choose?


I also believe it's so important to know why we believe such things, and to study for ourselves ... This board provides plenty of study material


to wipe the slate clean and let the Holy Spirit teach us without depending upon what others have always taught.only dirty slates need swiping, this is actually an Emergent philosophy, to rethink and rewrite Christianity, as if it needs that :doh


I guess while I'm on a roll here.. lol.... I have one more complaint....
And that is seeing how some respond to the jews as more important to God than we are...
Jews or not.... they are either saved or they are not. We all get saved the same way.
To those who are saved, we are all a part of the body of Christ.
Jews are not more important
Again, you don't have to choose
maybe you forget you are on a pre-trib Rapture message board?
go to a tech support board and you will find all they talk about is computer babble
Go to a recipe board and all they talk about is food
The board theme designates the discussion

[1angel4u]

I am really*UPSET*tonight.

I went to a "Bible study" with a local teacher (nobody famous) who I was told is "great" and I was stunned and appalled by what he taught:

He claims the rapture is an "American church doctrine" and that if you were to go to places such as Iran or China, where they're being persecuted & martyred for their faith, and told them all about the rapture, they'd call you crazy and say that they've been persecuted for so many years and "now we're going to be raptured? I don't think so." He further went on to state that "if" someone were to try to convince him there is a rapture and used scripture, he'd show them "a bunch" of scriptures that say it's not so.

And to think I wasted an hour of my time listening to this DRIVEL... :faint

Has anyone ever heard any famous or not-so-famous preachers who believe this NONSENSE??? Please tell me other churches around the world aren't preaching this!

If he understood how the translation processes worked back in the day, he would know that in a Latin version of the Bible, the word "rapturo" is right there in 1 The. 4:17 which describes the rapture event. He's ignorant.

This is where the English word "rapture" is derived from. It's not from American church doctrine. It's from the Latin translation of the Bible. We could be calling it "the caught up" - but I think "the rapture" sounds better. JMO