OSAS question

[BrideOfChrist]

Because the Bible basically tells us "It aint over till its over..."

Obviously that isn't a direct quote. But it is the truth.

Before Jesus died, he said "It is finished". He paid the price. If we believe, we are saved. To say that a Christian can lose his salvation is to say that Christ's sacrificial death on the cross was not enough. In addition, the reasons given for one losing his salvation are always works-based, which is contrary to Scripture. What does Jesus say? "...well, this person has sinned X-number of times and this person has committed this particular sin and this person has told one too many lies, so the blood I shed on Calvary isn't sufficient to save them. I'm going to have to unsave them." ALL of our righteousness are as filthy rags to God. That's how pathetic we are, even the most righteous among us. That's where His mercy and grace comes into play.

[Jesse]

It is hard to let go of a works mentality.

Prov. 14:12 There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.

It seems right to earn your salvation and it is hard to let go of that way of thinking.

True. Also, my mom used to cling to the idea that we can lose our salvation for many years because she saw some people who believed in eternal security who did not live like they had that security. Therefore, she felt that the doctrine of eternal security was a license to sin. So I think that is also one of the reasons that at least some people cling to that idea. But, for those of us who truly do have that security (which is really just the Holy Spirit Himself - See Ephesians 4:30), it is that very security which keeps us from sin in the first place.

So, to say that eternal security is a license to sin is like saying that the Holy Spirit is a license to sin, when in fact, it is the Holy Spirit that keeps us from sin in the first place. But thanks to God, my mom no longer clings to that idea now that her eyes have been opened to the position that believers have in Christ.

[firstlove]

I believe the Bible teaches that we can let go of our salvation. If you do not know anyone who has walked away from God-then you haven't been around long enough. Don't let the OSAS folk fool you. If you do not want to be a Christian-then even if you said some prayer once-you don't have to be.

[humblebleu]

There is a lot of talk amongst the threads posted speaking of OSAS (which is a new term to me) and it seems that some are on the fence about the idea of a person losing their salvation. To be honest it makes me insecure about my own eternal destination because I am one of those that was on fire for the Lord at one time in my life and now I am working very hard to get that back. I don't feel like I have the zeal that I once had, and with that, I feel like I might be one of those whose heart has hardened over time. I listened to James McDonald speak of this topic with references to Hebrews and it made me think that I won't be able to obtain my salvation due to the fact that I had walked away and refused the Holy Spirit for a time. I am not sure what to think of all this. Maybe I am being deceived and satan is telling me that I am not saved. What do you think?

[Galoutofdixie]

Hebrews 6, The Letter to the Hebrews is God's bridge from the Old Covenant to the New. It was written to Jews who had converted to Christianity and were under intense pressure to go back under the Law. Everything in the letter has to be read from that perspective.

Here's a couple of good short commentary on the subject of OSAS. Hope they help you out. :hug

http://www.gracethrufaith.com/selah/eternal-security/youll-be-safe-here-a-commentary-on-hebrews-6

http://www.gracethrufaith.com/ask-a-bible-teacher/osas-another-look

PS. yes, it is satan that is trying to steal your joy by getting you to doubt your salvation. Draw close to the Lord by prayer and being regularly in His word and the evil one will flee from you. Another :hug

[Saved by Grace_06]

There are a few reasons which cause people to assume that you can "fall away" from the faith. One huge reason is that the bible says so. That said however, there is a big difference between what the Bible says and what the Bible means. We must learn to read the Bible as it intended, and that involves proper hermanutics. Biblically speaking, no one who is born of God will fall away, because no one who is born of God can live in habitual sin (1John 3:9). If you live in habitual sin and claim to be a Christian, you are lying to yourself and the truth is not in you. Moreover, you are a child of the devil. All of this is summed up nicely in the book of 1 John. The book, by the way, is written so that "you may know that you have 'eternal life.'"

[Compatriot G]

I heard this topic addressed on the radio once. It was one of the most interesting explanations I had heard on the subject of OSAS. Unfortunately, I don't remember what verses were used, but I believe it was from one of Paul's epistles. The speaker explained about Roman adoption laws in the 1st Century A.D. At this time, it was lawful for a Roman to sell one of their natural-born children into slavery. However, if one adopted a child, the law was very different. You could not sell an adopted child, you could not abandon them, etc. That child was always yours and you were required to care for him. The speaker explained the reasoning as this, you might have a child born that you really didn't want. However, if you adopted a child, that meant you really wanted that child. We are all adopted children of God. In a way, God sold His own Son into slavery to pay for our adoption. When I heard that, it brought tears to my eyes, realizing what God did, just to adopt me.

[Saved by Grace_06]

Moses killed a man, he was a murderer and God still found him righteous.


But not in and of himself. Moses, like all of God's redeemed people, are counted righteous in Christ.

[Stinker]

There is a lot of talk amongst the threads posted speaking of OSAS (which is a new term to me) and it seems that some are on the fence about the idea of a person losing their salvation. To be honest it makes me insecure about my own eternal destination because I am one of those that was on fire for the Lord at one time in my life and now I am working very hard to get that back. I don't feel like I have the zeal that I once had, and with that, I feel like I might be one of those whose heart has hardened over time. I listened to James McDonald speak of this topic with references to Hebrews and it made me think that I won't be able to obtain my salvation due to the fact that I had walked away and refused the Holy Spirit for a time. I am not sure what to think of all this. Maybe I am being deceived and satan is telling me that I am not saved. What do you think?

Yes, he is trying to deceive you

plus, it seems like you are going by how you feel alot?

Did jesus tell us to go by how we feel?

[Stinker]

I believe the Bible teaches that we can let go of our salvation. If you do not know anyone who has walked away from God-then you haven't been around long enough. Don't let the OSAS folk fool you. If you do not want to be a Christian-then even if you said some prayer once-you don't have to be.

Really?

Please explain what "walking away" is?

also, please explain what I have to do daily, to make sure I am NOT "walking away" ?