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pegmo
July 6th, 2007, 09:51 PM
I have a niece getting married in the Catholic church in October. She has been living with the man she is now engaged to for a year or two. He has a daughter from a previous live in relationship. He is thinking of converting to the Catholic faith.

This niece is one of several in the family who are living with their current boyfriend/girlfriend, so its fairly common in the family. No one seems to think its a negative - just the way it is. I spoke to one nephew who told me what his choice was, but I have not spoken to this relative or her mother about the choice, so I don't think think they are aware of my Christian viewpoint. Our family became Christians about 3 years ago, so we are the only Christians on both sides of an extensive Catholic family. Some in the family know we have had transformed lives but others do not since we don't see them as often.

MY sister-in-law, my nieces mother, has asked me to help plan a wedding shower for the couple. However, I really am troubled about sponsoring a wedding shower for this couple since they have been living together. I don't want to appear to support their living choice, nor to be seen as going against God in any way. They don't appear to need anything to set up their home, since that has already been done - so I think its being thrown as part of the typical wedding custom. I am happy they have decided to marry, so think this is the right decision.

How have others dealt with the situations around couples living together before marriage? Do you think I am being too much of a stickler if I decline to sponsor the shower, but still attend the wedding? For some reason, I don't think I would feel the same to just attend the shower, but I didn't want to host it since it seems to carry a different connotation.

Do you think this is a good time to witness in anyway on this topic and if so, how have you or would you approach it? Or would you just participate and not ruffle any feathers?:idunno

Just looking for some general reaction. I haven't been invited to showers for couples planning to live together but not get married, but I wouldn't be surprised if that were next!

Betty
July 6th, 2007, 09:58 PM
my sister lived with her 2nd hubby before she married him. I went to the wedding and if it had been her first I would have given her a shower any way.
Back in those days you did not give a shower on 2nd wedding. But I would have given her a shower if it was okay.
I would not make a big deal of it. Just be there for her and be glad that she is now getting married. Try to lay aside your feelings and try to make her day special. That to me is the loving thing to do.
betty

as far as witnessing, I think just showing her love is a good witness. I would not use that time to wittness unless God puts the words in your mouth to say.
Because if you say the wrong thing it will come off as judging.

wife
July 6th, 2007, 10:00 PM
I don't agree with living together at all before marriage... I had a cousin who lived with her husband before they married. BUT the shower is supporting the marriage not the living arrangement. I say help. It shows that you are happy that they are getting married. Maybe even suggest a non traditional shower since they have all they need. For my cousin, they threw a shower for home stuff since they were buying a fixer upper.

pegmo
July 6th, 2007, 10:27 PM
BUT the shower is supporting the marriage not the living arrangement.

This is what my husband said too.

Because if you say the wrong thing it will come off as judging.


And, this is what my husband said as well.

I really appreciate your input....my gut was to not participate intially. I get so frustrated that no one will ever tell anyone in the family that their choice is sin, and that the consequences of not knowing God are so severe. But, it appears this isn't the right time to bring it up.

Bamagirl
July 7th, 2007, 11:06 AM
So what you are saying is because she has been living with him she shouldn't have a shower because God wouldn't want her to? Is he not going to bless her marriage?

pegmo
July 7th, 2007, 12:14 PM
So what you are saying is because she has been living with him she shouldn't have a shower because God wouldn't want her to? Is he not going to bless her marriage?


I answered your private note on this Bamagirl.

No, I wasn't saying she shouldn't have a shower. I was conflicted about whether my sponsoring of the shower was somehow condoning of their choices up to this point and would in some way compromise my relationship with God.

The feedback I have received seems pretty clear that it doesn't. So I will go ahead with it.

To your second question about God blessing the marriage or not, boy that's a tough one. If someone makes the deliberate choice to live together which is clearly not in line with God's word, and doesn't repent of that choice....I would think like any sin, it damages the relationship with God. Not sure what that does to the marriage being "blessed" or not. I would think if there was true repentance for sin, the relationship is restored according to God's promises.

pegmo
July 7th, 2007, 12:21 PM
I am not sure what other churches do on this, but I attend an Evangelical Free Church. Our pastor will not marry couples living together unless they repent and agree to live apart for a certain period of time...then he will agree to marry them in the Church. Is that how other churches handle this situation? I know many are more liberal than that, which is the case with most Catholic denominations. It probably comes down to the pastor etc.

wife
July 7th, 2007, 12:23 PM
I am not sure what other churches do on this, but I attend an Evangelical Free Church. Our pastor will not marry couples living together unless they repent and agree to live apart for a certain period of time...then he will agree to marry them in the Church. Is that how other churches handle this situation? I know many are more liberal than that, which is the case with most Catholic denominations. It probably comes down to the pastor etc.


I like this idea. We had a pastor do this.

jadeeyes
July 7th, 2007, 03:22 PM
Pegmo, I'm so glad you asked this question because it really got me thinking. So often when I see a lost person living in obvious sin, I want to tell that person, hey, your sinning.:doh Well, of course a person who has never exchangd their sinful life for the sinless life of Christ is sinning. It's all so clear now. Next time a see a lost person living and acting like a lost person, I'm going to try to remember to not dwell on the particular sin, but on the fact that the person is in desparate need of Christ. BTW, I agree that you should participate in throwing the shower as a way of shoing Christ's love and celebrating the soon coming nuptials.

Bamagirl
July 7th, 2007, 04:21 PM
Ok - so we are now onto judging who is a christain and who isn't. From Jadeeyes's post I am not a christian? Wow, I wish I had the power to see into the soul of people who are sinning at all and know that they must not love Jesus, why only people who don't OBVIOUSLY sin do!
Thanks Jadeeyes I thought this whole time I was a christian! I am so glad there are other folks to point out to me that I am not.