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saved by Grace
November 11th, 2009, 04:59 PM
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So the Church must be raptured, "caught up", & Satan fights whoever is left over, the tribulation saints; those of the 7
churches who were spewed out into the time of testing, and repent and keep the commandments, and those foolish virgins in
Matthew 25 who were expecting Christ's return, but were too busy with the world and caught unprepared.

The man child ruler Raptured in Rev 12
...is Christ and the Church (Christ is the head, the Church is the Body)


2 things:

1) This seems to indicate that not all Christians will be raptured. Is it not the doctrine of Rapture Ready that all Christians are raptured?

2) Is this rapture in chapter 12 the same one as pictured in chapter 4 of Revelation? IOW, there aren't multiple raptures, which I also believe that 1 rapture is the belief of RR.

all that are truly in Christ will go in the Rapture,the ones that are Christian in name only will likely be left behind.they will snap to their senses after the Rapture occurs.it will be a huge wake up call to those left behind.i :pray the Lord would account me worthy to escape the wrath to come.:fear

Sons of Thunder
November 11th, 2009, 05:03 PM
... discrepancy is the part that reads, "those of the 7 churches that are spewed out into the time of testing."

Sons of Thunder
November 11th, 2009, 05:08 PM
all that are truly in Christ will go in the Rapture,the ones that are Christian in name only will likely be left behind.they will snap to their senses after the Rapture occurs.it will be a huge wake up call to those left behind.i :pray the Lord would account me worthy to escape the wrath to come.:fear

Speaking of praying to be accounted worthy to escape the wrath to come, should what the Lord said be translated literally for those truly saved and in Christ? Aren't we prepared/worthy if we are in Christ?

Tres Wright
November 11th, 2009, 05:12 PM
... discrepancy is the part that reads, "those of the 7 churches that are spewed out into the time of testing."

Are you familiar with the 7 churches? Some in each church are saved, some are not saved.

Tres Wright
November 11th, 2009, 05:19 PM
Speaking of praying to be accounted worthy to escape the wrath to come, should what the Lord said be translated literally for those truly saved and in Christ? Aren't we prepared/worthy if we are in Christ?

To be saved is to be "accounted worthy". The unsaved need salvation, they need to pray for salvation (IE, that they are worthy).

ChristIsKing2008
November 11th, 2009, 05:38 PM
all that are truly in Christ will go in the Rapture,the ones that are Christian in name only will likely be left behind.they will snap to their senses after the Rapture occurs.it will be a huge wake up call to those left behind.i :pray the Lord would account me worthy to escape the wrath to come.:fear

Amen I second that. From what I have read about what is to come, I dont want to be here when it happens. :faint :fear

Just a question: what do you mean by "Christian in name only"? :hmmm

brings us back
November 11th, 2009, 06:05 PM
Just a question: what do you mean by "Christian in name only"? :hmmm

This is referring to those who go to church and talk the talk but dont walk the walk, ie they go to church and go through the motions of being a christian (reading the bible and showing up on sunday) but they dont truly accept christ into their hearts and ask for salvation.

Christina
November 11th, 2009, 06:14 PM
all that are truly in Christ will go in the Rapture,the ones that are Christian in name only will likely be left behind.they will snap to their senses after the Rapture occurs.it will be a huge wake up call to those left behind.i :pray the Lord would account me worthy to escape the wrath to come.:fear

If you are a born again believer then you don't have to pray that the Lord finds you worthy to escape His wrath, that is all part of the promise that goes with the age of Grace. If we are truly saved, we will go in the Rapture and will not be here for the Tribulation.

tfcrew
November 11th, 2009, 06:35 PM
So, you think all 10 virgins are part of the church and will be raptured?

No not at all. Five virgins have the faith [oil in their lamps] in Jesus ..that they are saved through grace as mentioned earlier.
In fact all the answers here have [that I've read] much validity..
Jesus is the bridegroom..HIS church is the bride.

The five unprepared virgins represent all of those left behind [Jews and gentiles alike].
They must find the 'oil' they need to enter the kingdom.

Sons of Thunder
November 11th, 2009, 06:38 PM
No not at all. Five virgins have the faith [oil in their lamps] in Jesus ..that they are saved through grace as mentioned earlier.
In fact all the answers here have [that I've read] much validity..
Jesus is the bridegroom..HIS church is the bride.

The five unprepared virgins are all of those left behind.
They must find the 'oil' they need to enter the kingdom.

Gotcha. Thanks.