latter day rain movement(bikle)

[Violet]

Here is Mike Bickle's prophecy blueprint, click on "view the BLUEPRINT PROPHECY" link at the bottom. This is what he bases his ministry on. Eye opener!
http://www.ihop.org/Publisher/Article.aspx?ID=22497

snippet:
God shall confirm in your spirit; and do not proceed until He does. Upon the
confirmation you should begin to act immediately to take the bride to the city; to
the city of Kansas City, rather than having the city come to Him.
Therefore there should be another…on the north side and on the east side and on
the west side, even as it is on the south side. Therefore there shall be four…. I
have shown you My grace. My grace is sufficient. My grace is Me in you and in
this shall be the 5-fold ministry.
In days past, I have said…You are a Garden Center…of My choice says the Lord.
In My Garden Center…I shall raise up…plants of renown… it shall be known, and
the ways shall be renown. I will bring and place...those that will be the caretakers
of My (Garden Center…). You shall be a dresser of My vineyard, says the Lord,
and the vineyard shall be these people that I shall bring unto you and out of you.
Even out of the loins of the blood line of the flesh of Abraham--even as I said
there would be many seeds and many nations, kindred, and tongues… I shall
raise up and there shall flow forth many sons and daughters. They shall be known
and renowned. Even as the children of the renowned – shall they be. These
children shall flow out of…My Spirit. They shall be spiritual children and they
shall inhabit the uttermost parts of the earth. They shall inhabit the place that I
have called for you to settle and to raise up other ministries and to send out.

[Betty]

Doesn't sound right to me. Kind of reminds me of the prophecy given in January on TBN how that this year was going to be the year that God took from those who had great wealth and gave to those who do without. They were 4 of them and they sounded really sure of what they were saying, but-------------:scratch

[Christy]

Yeesh. I've heard too many similar prophecies in my time. They didn't make any sense to me then, and they certainly don't make any sense to me now. I started getting confused around about here: In days past, I have said…You are a Garden Center…of My choice says the Lord............... In My Garden Center…I shall raise up…plants of renown - what may I ask is a "plant of renown?" then it continues and states : You shall be a dresser of My vineyard, says the Lord, and then proceeds with : and the vineyard shall be these people that I shall bring unto you and out of you So are all to be Garden Centers, vineyards and plants of renown? Who will be the garden centers, who will be the vineyards and who will be the plants of renown? and is there a difference?

Honestly, I don't have to even go further to know that this is a load of nonsense. It has no biblical/scriptural backing whatsoever.

[kenod]

Eze 34:29 And I will raise up for them a plant of renown, and they shall be no more consumed with hunger in the land, neither bear the shame of the heathen any more.

[Christy]

Kenod,
Thanks for answering my question. However, in it's rightful context God is speaking to the Jews (Israel) here, not the church.

If one looks at the entire chapter here, one can clearly see this : http://onlineparallelbible.com/ezekiel/34.htm

Some versions state "a plant of renown", others state a "renowned planting place".

Comments regarding this are as follows:

The word in question is the Hebrew matta' (planting, plantation), a derivative of the verb nata' (to plant, fasten, fix, establish) You will observe a more accurate translation of the word in Isaiah 60:21, "...the branch of My planting.. " As you can see, the correct wording is not plant, but planting place.

The Jews will all know God, and He will put His law in their minds and write it on their hearts (Jeremiah 31:33-34) through the indwelling Holy Spirit (Ezekiel 36:27). This is a promise of the national regeneration of Israel, which is why the apostle Paul said, "And so all Israel will be saved" (Romans 11:26).

God will greatly bless the Jews with peace and prosperity (Isaiah 61:9, Jeremiah 32:40-41, Ezekiel 34:25-31, 36:24-38 and Ezekiel 37:26).

God will put His sanctuary (His Temple) among them and dwell among them forever (Ezekiel 37:26-28, above). This will take place during the Millennium (Christ's thousand-year reign of righteousness, peace, and prosperity after the Second Coming)We are to rightfully divide the Word of God, which Mike Bickle hasn't done in his "prophesy" mentioned above.

Thanks,
Christy

[kenod]

Thanks for answering my question. However, in it's rightful context God is speaking to the Jews (Israel) here, not the church.

In that case I guess we'd better quit singing that good old song There Shall Be Showers of Blessing (http://junior.apk.net/~bmames/ht0047_.htm)

Ezekiel 34:26
And I will make them and the places round about my hill a blessing; and I will cause the shower to come down in his season; there shall be showers of blessing.

[MrsBri]

Can you help me with this some more??? I've recently run into an old friend who believes this, but I have very little understanding of it to be able to refute it, and most importantly do you have scripture to help in the discussion? Also, what about the movement makes it a cult?

Thanks,

Diane

The movement is highly deceptive. It's one of the most clever deceptions that I've ever encountered because alot of what they say is the truth....but hidden within the truth are very strange beliefs that the Bible clearly refutes. A friend who believes this way will be hard to convince otherwise...those that "feed" her spritually are very crafty. They will use tons of Scripture passages so it'll apprear to be "legit", but they spritualize those passages & use them as metaphors instead of using them literally & in context.

Kingdom Now (aka: Latter Rain, Manifest Son's of God, Joel's Army, New Breed, etc) teaches the following:

1) Jesus cannot & willnot return until "we've taken back the dominion stolen from us by Satan". So, once the Christians subdue the entire world politically, socially, spiritually & economically, then Jesus will return & become King of the Kingdom which we've built for Him.

Where does Jesus say that? Where is that written in the Biblical prophecies? Oh, the Bible does mention the rise of a Kingdom all right....but that's the Kingdom of the antichrist!!

2) The endtimes will consist of a great spiritual awakening complete with "signs & wonders", an "endtime transfer of wealth from the wicked to the righteous", etc.

Aren't we warned otherwise? Jesus said in Matthew 24:24 "For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if [it were] possible, they shall deceive the very elect."

"For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if [it were] possible, even the elect. But take ye heed: behold, I have foretold you all things." Mark 13:22-23

How does the "endtime transfer of wealth" compare to what the Bible says?

"Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake." Matthew 24:9

"Now the brother shall betray the brother to death, and the father the son; and children shall rise up against [their] parents, and shall cause them to be put to death. And ye shall be hated of all [men] for my name's sake: " Mark 13:12-13


3) Christians should be submitted to the leadership of modern day apostles & prophets...those who fail to submit are in great spiritual error & are even called "mystery Babylon"

The Biblical requirements for a prophet are very strict! They must be 100% accurate. Deut 18:22 "When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that [is] the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him."

1 Timothy 4:1 "...in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;"

Matthew: 24:11 "And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many."

v24: "For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if [it were] possible, they shall deceive the very elect."

2 Thess 2:11 "And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:"

2 Thess 2:3 "Let no man deceive you by any means: for [that day shall not come], except there come a falling away first (apostasy), and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;"



*many don't believe in the rapture of the Church & claim that it's a spiritual condition when one is so "caught up in Christ, that they become like Him". Some even refute the literal 2nd coming of Jesus saying that since the church is His body, Jesus will return spiritually to be the "head" (only after the church subdues the earth of course)....so the Church itself IS the manifested 2nd coming of Jesus.

etc.

The Bible tells us in 1 Cor 15:50 "Now this I say, brethren, [B]that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

Whatever Kingdom they think they are building, it isn't the Lord's because "flesh & blood cannot inherit the Kingdom..." Which is why the following verses say "Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal [must] put on immortality. So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory." This IS the RAPTURE!

So unless these Kingdom Now proponents can raise the dead in Christ & give all who belong to Him immortal bodies, their "Kingdom" isn't Gods!

[kenod]

Mike Bickle: International House of Prayer (http://www.ihop.org/Publisher/Article.aspx?ID=1000010501)


The Manifest Sons of God Theology

WE AFFIRM all born-again believers will be ‘manifest’ as sons of God after the Second Coming of Christ.

WE DENY that we will experience the fullness of our inheritance as sons of God before Jesus returns.

Explanation: Some uphold the false teaching that in this age believers can have faith that will enable them to attain to qualities of life that are reserved only for believers in the resurrection.

Dominion Theology

WE AFFIRM that God’s purpose is for Jesus to come back to fully establish His Kingdom rule over all the Earth. After the Second Coming, the saints will rule the Earth under the leadership of Jesus Christ when He sets up His government on the Earth in the Millennial Kingdom (1 Corinthians 6:2; Revelation 5:10 and 20:3–6). We believe that believers in this age are called to serve Jesus in politics and to help establish righteousness and justice in legislation. We do NOT have the assurance that ALL laws and governments will be changed until after the Second Coming of Jesus to establish His Millennial Kingdom.

WE DENY the Church will take over all the governments of the Earth before the return of Christ.

Explanation: some teach and believe that all governments on the Earth will be transformed by the Church before the Second Coming of Jesus.

[kenod]

deleted due to post-Trib stance.

[kenod]

Kenod, we are a pre-trib board. We do not allow links to post-trib teachings.

I appreciate that, and I am a pre-trib believer. Its just that I'm not sure how to help people avoid making comments that misrepresent the views of those who they are criticising. The point was made that Mike Bickle and IHOP are among those who believe in a "spiritual rapture", but that is not correct. I am not associated with IHOP in any way and disagree with some of their views, but I believe that if we are discussing the teaching of a group, then the beliefs of that group should be fairly and accurately presented, don't you?