Question about the Tin Foil Shed

[Mike]

I never said anything about trying to prevent the AC from coming to power. I am in no way "caught up" in conspiracy stuff, nor does it depress me. I just happen to like understanding things going on around me. Trust me, my ears ARE tuned for the trumpet.

So, are you saying we shouldn't have the tin foil shed and be allowed to have these discussions? Why else would you say to just let it go? I thought Todd gave us the tin foil shed forum to have open discussions as long as we stay within the rules and guidelines. A whole thread was just closed due to one poster having links that weren't considered reliable. Why did the whole thread have to be closed?
There are many conspiracies that I would love to discuss, but you are shooting us in the foot. You are making a really good case for why we shouldnt discuss them. Every sentence you write is confrontational.

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[MrMannn]

The issue hinges on one of the Ten Comandments:
"Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor."

Todd did us a great favor by opening up a conspiracy board.
But we are also a CHRISTIAN board! And we are held to higher standards.
Most conspiracies are fine...but those that falsly accuse innocent men and women based on accusation or heresay evidence should not be yoked with a Christian witness.

[Larry]

those that falsly accuse innocent men and women based on accusation or heresay evidence should not be yoked with a Christian witness.

I agree.

Who exactly has been falsely accused? If someone has been falsly accused, that's wrong. But you can't know who is lying and who is telling the truth unless you look into it. Then, when you see what's really going on, it becomes a matter of whether you speak out or just let it slide because you like the person and can't believe they would ever do anything that bad.

Nobody has any problem accusing Osama, or Sadaam, or Chavez, even though most of what we do know has been told to us through the media. I'm not saying these dudes were good by any means, but I can't help but think they have also been falsely accused of something. There is evidence that at least 6 of the 19 highjackers are still alive. They have shown up at embassy's asking why their pictures were on tv? Most had never even been to America, but they were falsely accused and STILL ARE of killing 3000 on 9/11.

Why is it that we can see the evil across the pond but not right here in our own backyard?

When there is evidence we are being misled, and there is, it needs to be brought to light. The truth will win out in the end.

I'm more concerned that Jesus will be upset with me for not speaking out against the evil,(even though we all know it's coming and must happen) than I am about an unbelieving world thinking I'm a kook.

Did Jesus tell us to be concerned with the world's opinion? or his?

Luk 12:48 But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.

I have been shown much, how can I remain silent?

Larry

[Melvalena]

Just a couple basic thoughts about conspiracies.

One of the main things is the difference between theory and fact. Most all conspiracies are theories and not established facts. But that does not make them evil or unworthy of discussion.

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But it can be at times difficult to maintain the understanding that they are not established facts.

If I were an elected official responsible for directing the course of government and something of a possible criminal nature occurred around me. And if it just so happened that I greatly benefited from the occurrence of this event, and if I had the means to have brought the event about and the opportunity, then any person would be justified to theorize that I may have done something bad. And if I were this public figure then the public would be justified to discuss the theory.

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I beg to differ. At the very least it is gossip.
Without facts and evidence it is bearing false witness against those being accused. Both are evil.

IF there is evidence, let those in position to accuse do so in a court of law.

Lets see how God deals with it:

Psa 2:4 He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have them in derision.


Oh look, he's laughing! He's laughing at those who conspire against Him.

But do you think He's laughing at those believers who bear false witness, or gossip? Or argue amongst themselves over these things?

I see no good in Christians discussing these 'theories' unless it is to point out the unsubstantiated lies involved to prevent others from falling for them.

Theories should NEVER be presented as fact because they aren't.

[HeavenlyBri77]

Melvalena, have I told you lately that I love you? You're very wise!! :bighug

[Leialoha]

I beg to differ. At the very least it is gossip.
Without facts and evidence it is bearing false witness against those being accused. Both are evil.

IF there is evidence, let those in position to accuse do so in a court of law.

Lets see how God deals with it:



Oh look, he's laughing! He's laughing at those who conspire against Him.

But do you think He's laughing at those believers who bear false witness, or gossip? Or argue amongst themselves over these things?

I see no good in Christians discussing these 'theories' unless it is to point out the unsubstantiated lies involved to prevent others from falling for them.

Theories should NEVER be presented as fact because they aren't.


The medical community thrives on theories yet they are not charged as conspiracy nuts or calling things fact when they are only theory.

TONS of our history that we teach is theory or what happened derived from texts that record the events sometimes more than hundreds of years later. I agree that it should NOT be stated as fact, but it should not be cast away because it is a theory, either.

It is very possible to have a discussion of theories that honor God -- even discussions about One World Government and the possible contribution that our country's bankers or politicians may have in it. It is no different than the theories people have about leaders in Iran or Russia or China and the "stuff" we hear (theories and heresay) from media and developing a thoughtful theory or idea or concern by it.

Honestly, it is possible to have intellegent and honoring discussions!

Sometimes I see the hypocrasy (not at all pointing fingers -- if I was it would be at myself most definately) and I'm humbled by our inability to hold ourselves to the high standard we hold others.

If you don't like the tinfoil shed, why not just stay out of it? If the concern is our Christian Witness, then I think the Anything Goes and the Ladies Forum should also go because some of the threads there could be also construed as "poor witness" to the fundie haters as well.

Peace my brothers and sisters,
Leialoha

[Stevangelist]

If you don't like the tinfoil shed, why not just stay out of it? If the concern is our Christian Witness, then I think the Anything Goes and the Ladies Forum should also go because some of the threads there could be also construed as "poor witness" to the fundie haters as well.

I agree.

I believe if we do extensive research to uncover hidden darkness throughout the world it will only strengthen our witness because it gives us an opportunity to relate what goes on behind the scenes to the fulfillment of Bible prophecy regarding to the end-times.

[Melvalena]

Medical or science 'theories' don't accuse people of sins.

They don't do damage to someone reputation.

They aren't lies about people presented as fact.

They are not sinful.

[Leialoha]

Medical or science 'theories' don't accuse people of sins.

They don't do damage to someone reputation.

They aren't lies about people presented as fact.

They are not sinful.

I understand your position. I think discussion of politics and news does this as well. No matter what is being discussed it must meet God's standards.

Thanks for your position.

[Stevangelist]

They aren't lies about people presented as fact.

How do you know these are all lies about people presented as fact?

Just because it takes a lot of time to weed out fact from fiction does not make everything false.