politically_incorrect
July 13th, 2007, 07:55 AM
I believe yes.
RachelsDream
July 13th, 2007, 10:02 AM
I often wondered that too....
I think he does because ...he is LOVE. :idunno
Just my humble opinon though. :)
nancyjean
July 14th, 2007, 01:53 AM
Wow, i just voted and it is a complete tie. I voted yes, God loves us and created us, however, he will not let us go unpunished for our sins against Him. Satan has made his choice and refuses to repent and therefore recieves the Lords justice. God also knows what Satan will do, has done and will not do. I don't think the God has any hate at his creation but rather hates what the creation does.
Cole
July 14th, 2007, 02:03 AM
It is actually a very easy question.
We sin, and we block God out through our sins. And Satan also sins, on a more epic level, but it is still sin. God wants Satan to repent and wants him to come to the light. God's love is righteous love. His love is an epic manifestation of how a father loves a son, or a mother a daughter. You love your child, but you want your child to stay out of trouble and do good things. So you also punish your child, you hold him or her responsible for the actions they have committed. God does the same. Even if a parent has a miserable, nasty, mean child, they still love them.
Biblenuggetlady
July 14th, 2007, 07:40 PM
Guys, God hates sin, hates satan...he even said "Jacob I loved, Esau I hated." We don't have to apologize for God being a righteous and just God. This marshmellow Christianity and making God in man's image is very dangerous folks.
Buzzardhut
July 14th, 2007, 07:45 PM
I believe yes.
Satan also known as Lucifer, has been the subject of a multitude of books and discussions for thousands of years. Some deny his existence, saying that he is merely a mythological figure. Others seem obsessed with him, seeing him behind everything imaginable.
We will explore answers to these questions: Is there such a creature? If so, who is he? Where did he come from? What power does he have? Should a Christian fear him?
Lucifer and his angels (devils or evil spirits) are real. The devil is not a figment of one's imagination or a mere symbol of evil; he has personal existence. How do we know he exists? The Bible is a supernatural book of revelations that gives information about the true and living God. It also, it tells about Lucifer and his plans. I do believe Satan and his demons exist, because the Bible says so, because of their existence I am called into a deliverance ministry.
Satan's career begins in a distant past. God created a multitude of angels to do His bidding. In the angelic rank there was one angel who was given the highest position/ guardian to the Throne of the Most High. His name was Lucifer.
Information about Lucifer is revealed to us in Ezekiel 28:11-19. This passage is addressed to the prince of Tyre, a man who was vain because of the wealth he possessed and thought himself to be God. While God is rebuking the prince of Tyre for his vanity, another character called the king of Tyre is introduced. He is revealed to be the real motivator of the prince of Tyre.
Ezekiel 28:11-19 "The word of the LORD came to me: Son of man, take up a lament concerning the king of Tyre (Lucifer) and say to him: This is what the Sovereign LORD says: You were the model of perfection, full of wisdom and perfect in beauty. You were in Eden, the garden of God; every precious stone adorned you: ruby, topaz and emerald, chrysolite, onyx and jasper, sapphire, turquoise and beryl. Your setting and mountings were made of gold; on the day you were created they were prepared. You were anointed as a guardian cherub, for so I ordained you. You were on the holy mount of God; you walked among the fiery stones. You were blameless in your ways from the day you were created till wickedness was found in you. Through your widespread trade you were filled with violence, and you sinned. So I drove you in disgrace from the mount of God, and I expelled you, O guardian cherub, from among the fiery stones. Your heart became proud on account of your beauty, and you corrupted your wisdom because of your splendor. So I threw you to the earth; I made a spectacle of you before kings. By your many sins and dishonest trade you have desecrated your sanctuaries. So I made a fire come out from you, and it consumed you, and I reduced you to ashes on the ground in the sight of all who were watching. All the nations who knew you are appalled at you; you have come to horrible end and will be no more."
At this time Lucifer, along with the other angels were in perfect harmony with God. There was no rebellion nor any dissent, there was only one will in the universe, the will of God. Everything was harmonious until Lucifer decided to rebel against God. The prophet Isaiah reveals the unrighteousness in Lucifer.
Isaiah 14: 12-15 "How you have fallen from heaven, O morning star (Lucifer), son of the dawn! You have been cast down to the earth, you who once laid low the nations! You said in your heart, I will ascend to heaven; I will raise my throne above the stars of God; I will sit enthroned on the mount of assembly, on the utmost heights of the sacred mountain. I will ascend above the tops of the clouds; I will make myself like the Most High. But you are brought down to the grave, to the depths of the pit."
The sin of Lucifer was rebellion. Five times Lucifer said in his heart, "I will."
* I will ascend into heaven;
* I will exalt my throne above the stars of God;
* I will sit upon the mount of the congregation;
* I will ascend above the heights of the clouds;
* I will be like the Most High.
Rebellion caused the downfall of Lucifer, it was then that he was transformed into Satan. When Lucifer rebelled, one-third of the angels (Revelation 12:4) rebelled with him, attempting to overthrow the authority of God. This resulted in Lucifer and his cohosts being banished from both God's presence and His favor. We are often asked, "Why would a good God create the devil?" It needs to be stressed that God did not create the devil.
God created Lucifer, the highest ranking of the angels, giving him beauty and intelligence and a superior position to every other created being. He also gave Lucifer a free will to do as he pleased. Eventually, Lucifer decided to stage a rebellion against God, and it was at that point that he became known as the devil or the adversary. He was not created for that purpose, nor did God desire for Lucifer to act independently of His will. However, Lucifer did rebel and consequently became the enemy of God and His work.
The existence of evil and the supernatural realm is led by Satan and supported by his legions of demons. Satan's devices are many, and his methods are as varied as his devices. We as Christian believers are never called to investigate all of these occult phenomena. Preoccupation with Satan's methods is not the best means of approaching our foe, our enemy, the accuser of the brethren. However, this does not mean we are to do nothing. Rather, as Christian believers, we are exhorted in three major areas.
1. We are called to understand- understanding that Satan has already been defeated. Christ's death and resurrection sealed Satan's fate and destruction. That fact became a reality for us when we believed in Christ.
2. We are called to know- know Satan's strategy. Not to know all his methods, but rather his means of operation. This includes him being disguised as an angel of light. Satan's modus operandi, aside from a direct assault of lies, also includes the more subtle and often used art of deception. He seeks to lure through the things of the world and the temptations of flesh. Satan's desire is to replace God's plan with his counterfeit, just as he attempted to do in the Garden of Eden.
3. Besides having a good defense of knowing our position in Christ and recognizing Satan's strategy- We must be on the offensive in what we do. This means knowing God and making Him known. When we get to our LORD and share the gospel it pierces Satan as if with a sword. The LORD through us advances His kingdom and brings Satan's domain to ruin. For our mastery over Satan is not in our power, but in God's power and through His plan. We should share the Gospel with all who are interested.
This is why Jesus said in Luke 10:17-20, we should not rejoice because we have power over demons but because our names are written in the Book of Life. Paul in Romans 1:16 clearly states, "For I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God for the salvation of everyone who believes."
Communicating the Gospel should be our goal, even amid all the conflicts that Satan and the world attempt to throw at us. The command to believers is to grow in the gospel and share it with others. This is gradually and clearly illustrated in chapter six of Paul`s epistle to the Ephesians. The whole point of this chapter is often overlooked, as the emphasis is usually placed on the "armor of God." In the book of Ephesians 6:10-18, Paul points out that the true battle stems out the evil forces in the heavenly realms and that his purpose for life is to spread the gospel. His very prayer at the end of the book, which comes in the context of this section on the armor of God, is for him to be able to make known the gospel.
"Finally, be strong in the LORD and in His mighty power. Put on the full armor of God so that you can take your stand against the devil's schemes. For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms. Therefore, put on the full armor of God, so that when the day of evil comes, you may be able to stand your ground, and after you have done everything, to stand. Stand firm then, with the belt of truth buckled around your waist. With the breastplate of righteousness in place, and with your feet fitted with the readiness that comes from the gospel of peace. In addition to all this, take up the shield of faith, with which you can extinguish all the flaming arrows of the evil one. Take the helmet of salvation and the sword of the spirit, which is the Word of God. And pray in the Spirit on all occasions, with all kinds of prayers and requests. With this in mind, be alert and always keep on praying for all the saints."
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