Flood of pornography breaching the church

[Beth O]

I'm very much in agreement with this.
So what about those kids whose parents don't take this approach? Is it the Church's responsibility (not so much in the congregation sense, but maybe more in a sense of people who are close to the individual kid) to teach them what they "need" to know?

If there is someone in their life willing to teach them the Biblical way. Of course we see even in Church this isn't being done. I was not taught this by my parents or anyone for that matter. My parents were of the free love generation, (hippies) and any thing goes. My Mom thinks I am crazy to be teaching my daughters to wait for marriage. The most important thing is for people to get saved and then they will look to the Lord for guidance. This is how it happened for me. The gospel message of Christ needs to be the focus always!!!

Romans 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

Romans 10:15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!

[Beth O]

Actually many Christians couples do not know in regards of the right/wrong issues that has been put on marriage by the church. Sometimes I believe we the church can be way to conservative, but then sometimes we are to open as well. There really isn't much taught to husbands and wives what the true sexual intimacy between a man and a women is to be.

If God is in the center of a marriage and the marriage is truly one-flesh as intended it just comes naturally. The answers are always in the Word of God. Just look there.

[Paul M]

Uh, 'Song of Solomon' anybody? I think this Old Testament book is clear that God is certainly in favour of great sex, within the parameters of the marriage relationship.

I really don't think detailed discussions about sex/intimacy belong in Sunday morning church sevices though, that material is okay for small group situations but frankly I don't want 'sex ed' during church.

[funmudder]

You know, I get really tired of hearing "well what if their parents don't teach them?"

If they are in church, they should be in the Bible for themselves trying to learn. That's one of my biggest pet peeves. Condensing Biblical lessons into sound bites because we don't think people will actually read scripture for themselves, or should be expected to read..... If the church is fully behind EVERY person getting into their Bible from the day they learn to read until the day they die, the body would be in MUCH better shape.

Frankly if a kid is old enough and mature enough starting to think about sex and what it means, then they can SURELY handle reading the Bible. :doh

I hated that I depended on elders to tell me everything instead of them just giving me scripture to go look up.

Bah.

[Aneriz]

The subject of sexual practices within the marriage can be address in premarital counseling. That is the right place to do it.

The problem is that so many couples come into marriage with "experience" (yes even Christian couples), that if one comes into counseling pure, one might have to take the initiative and say that one is interested in that kind of material.

In my own experience we were given some very informative literature that we (my husband to be and I) read individually and later discussed privately.

For everything there is a time and a season.

[Beth O]

Uh, 'Song of Solomon' anybody? I think this Old Testament book is clear that God is certainly in favour of great sex, within the parameters of the marriage relationship.

I really don't think detailed discussions about sex/intimacy belong in Sunday morning church sevices though, that material is okay for small group situations but frankly I don't want 'sex ed' during church.

Exactly Paul! I was thinking of Songs after my last post.

You are so right about not having sex ed in Church. Details can get out of hand wetting an appetite for sin, (pornography). We can already see there is a problem with pornography in the Church, so hows about we just knock it off altogether! If there are marriages having problems in this area a great way to deal with it is with Pastoral counseling, (along with Pastors wife is great). As long as who ever is doing the counseling is Biblically sound. I'm not at all promoting worldly counseling.

[jorjean]

The thing that is so difficult is they use sex (pornography, on the soft side) to sell everything from cars to dish soap. The permeation has to be combated some way.
Our best weapon in the Word of God. We get to learn what Paul said in Corinthians, what Jesus said in Mathew, and what God said to Moses in Exodus.
All together it gives a message of purity and faithfulness in marriage, and as a single.
I have been single for a lot of years now, and I am sad to say I have not always behaved "Biblicaly". Praise the Lord for his fresh mercy's every day. I just have to remind myself, that I am a daughter of God, and as His child I get to remain pure.:wave

[Beth O]

You know, I get really tired of hearing "well what if their parents don't teach them?"

If they are in church, they should be in the Bible for themselves trying to learn. That's one of my biggest pet peeves. Condensing Biblical lessons into sound bites because we don't think people will actually read scripture for themselves, or should be expected to read..... If the church is fully behind EVERY person getting into their Bible from the day they learn to read until the day they die, the body would be in MUCH better shape.

Frankly if a kid is old enough and mature enough starting to think about sex and what it means, then they can SURELY handle reading the Bible. :doh

I hated that I depended on elders to tell me everything instead of them just giving me scripture to go look up.

Bah.

funmudder, I was also thinking about this after my last post. I think you, Paul and I are on the same page here.

As Christians we should be reading through the Bible in it's entirety over and over again. It only takes 15-20 minutes a day to get through the Bible in a year. If we are reading our Bibles habitually we will have God's Word on every topic and will know how to deal with life, not to mention growing spiritually year after year. (growing in the fruits of the Spirit, (self control!!)) If we had a struggle, we would know exactly where to go in God's Word.

We can take our own Bible study and learn even more with Christian fellowship. Imagine if everyone were reading the Bible habitually, what a great Bible study that would be. Unfortunately in my experience not every one wants to take the time to read it. :(

[Beth O]

The thing that is so difficult is they use sex (pornography, on the soft side) to sell everything from cars to dish soap. The permeation has to be combated some way.
Our best weapon in the Word of God. We get to learn what Paul said in Corinthians, what Jesus said in Mathew, and what God said to Moses in Exodus.
All together it gives a message of purity and faithfulness in marriage, and as a single.
I have been single for a lot of years now, and I am sad to say I have not always behaved "Biblicaly". Praise the Lord for his fresh mercy's every day. I just have to remind myself, that I am a daughter of God, and as His child I get to remain pure.:wave

jorgean, someone else I'm on the same page with. That's so true, many Churches are using sex to draw in the world. If that's how they win them over they will have to keep it up to keep them in the Church. Then instead of attending a Church separated as Holy, it becomes no different then the world, with worldly problems, such as porn. :ohno It would be very hard to remain singly in a worldly Church. You might think, well other Christians are doing it, I guess it is ok for me as well. We are weak, we need strong leadership and encouragement to live a Holy life!

Jeremiah 17:9 The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?

This is why we must depend on God's Word. It is the only Truth we will be able to find.

[grape on the vine]

You know, I get really tired of hearing "well what if their parents don't teach them?"

If they are in church, they should be in the Bible for themselves trying to learn. That's one of my biggest pet peeves. Condensing Biblical lessons into sound bites because we don't think people will actually read scripture for themselves, or should be expected to read..... If the church is fully behind EVERY person getting into their Bible from the day they learn to read until the day they die, the body would be in MUCH better shape.

Frankly if a kid is old enough and mature enough starting to think about sex and what it means, then they can SURELY handle reading the Bible. :doh

I hated that I depended on elders to tell me everything instead of them just giving me scripture to go look up.

Bah.
What in the Bible is there that gives a real comprehensive outlook on sex? And what about if children are in church and their parents aren't? Or what if they are and their father is addicted to porn with a warped outlook on sexual relationships?
I'm all for parents instructing and teaching their kids, but sometimes they don't even know. Then where do they learn?