Flood of pornography breaching the church

[funmudder]

What in the Bible is there that gives a real comprehensive outlook on sex? And what about if children are in church and their parents aren't? Or what if they are and their father is addicted to porn with a warped outlook on sexual relationships?
I'm all for parents instructing and teaching their kids, but sometimes they don't even know. Then where do they learn?

Grape, you are over 20 years old. I'm not going to treat you like an infant, so: Go look it up and read for yourself.

This illustrates my point really well though. The attitude of "The Bible is too long and complicated looking for me to understand so I want someone else to just tell me what is in there." And from that we get "It's too long and complicated looking for me, so it must be for others so what we need is someone to put together a book to hit the high points so we don't have to do it ourselves."

Grape ole buddy, it's in there. Practically every single book from Genesis to Revelation has a specific thing about sex. Who sex was created for, the list of things that perverts that intention, on and on. There is a lesson to be learned by reading all the histories of the people in the Bible, a great deal of them had consequences people should be able to learn from and not repeat in their own lives, that includes mistakes and lessons about sex.

Get out of other people's books and actually get into Gods book. He wrote it for you.

[Beth O]

Grape, you are over 20 years old. I'm not going to treat you like an infant, so: Go look it up and read for yourself.

This illustrates my point really well though. The attitude of "The Bible is too long and complicated looking for me to understand so I want someone else to just tell me what is in there." And from that we get "It's too long and complicated looking for me, so it must be for others so what we need is someone to put together a book to hit the high points so we don't have to do it ourselves."

Grape ole buddy, it's in there. Practically every single book from Genesis to Revelation has a specific thing about sex. Who sex was created for, the list of things that perverts that intention, on and on. There is a lesson to be learned by reading all the histories of the people in the Bible, a great deal of them had consequences people should be able to learn from and not repeat in their own lives.

Get out of other people's books and actually get into Gods book. He wrote it for you.

All I could possibly add to that is Amen!!

[Biblenuggetlady]

Good advice, I agree. This is getting old.

Grape, why don't you start offering some sound Biblical input and advice to the many viewers here searching for truth. Be used to reinforce the Word and edify the body instead of sending your fellow brothers and sisters here on wild goose chases.

:tapfoot

[grape on the vine]

I'm actually looking for truth on this subject. These are honest questions I'm asking. Nowhere in this thread have I been combative or argumentative. This a subject with which I have been very poorly acquainted- both by family, and the church. And everything that I read or been told is, "If you can't control it, just get married." Which seems okay, but I don't even know what I'm looking for.
I guess I am capable of reading what Scripture has to say about sex, but I don't know that I'm capable of grasping it without the wisdom of people who've been there before me. It's been true and still seems true that this is a dangerous subject to approach on my own.
I realize that I'm not everyone's favorite person on this site, but I'm actually here for a reason, and despite the conclusions drawn about me, it's not solely to cause discord within the body. All of my posts, except for one, despite being unpopular, are honest.
Anyway, I'm going to pass on participating in this thread anymore.

Peace

[Beth O]

I'm actually looking for truth on this subject. These are honest questions I'm asking. Nowhere in this thread have I been combative or argumentative. This a subject with which I have been very poorly acquainted- both by family, and the church. And everything that I read or been told is, "If you can't control it, just get married." Which seems okay, but I don't even know what I'm looking for.

All I can say is that we have tried to answer your questions. It doesn't seem to help your confusion on this issue though? I really don't know what else we could tell you. I know you have said that you are a Christian. Do you look for guidance in God's Word?

For some, (I'm not saying you) it's that they don't want the answers that God gives. Usually it's because they are in sin re: this matter and don't want to give it up, (the sin)? I really just don't know what the problem still is?

[Biblenuggetlady]

http://www.gracethrufaith.com/ask-a-bible-teacher/lust-and-sexual-sin

Lust And Sexual Sin
Ask a Bible Teacher

Q. Hello again, and keep up the good work. I was wondering why it seems that men in particular seem to have a problem with lust and sexual sin. I know women deal with this too but it seems mainly to be a male problem. Is it the way we were made? And how can I as a single person deal with the physical side of it without giving in? Thanks for all your help, and keep looking up.

A. I've always felt that for men the sexual urge is tied to our need for conquest. That's why some men who would never dream of abandoning their wives still look lustfully upon other women.

Paul had this to say about sexual urges. "I wish that all men were as I am. But each man has his own gift from God; one has this gift, another has that. Now to the unmarried and the widows I say: It is good for them to stay unmarried, as I am. But if they cannot control themselves, they should marry, for it is better to marry than to burn with passion." (1 Cor. 7:7-9)

Paul felt that his ability to re-direct his sexual energy into his work was a gift from the Lord. But he understood that not everyone had this ability and prescribed marriage for those who were being distracted from their efforts to remain holy by their sexual needs.

We know from Paul's other writings that he wasn't recommending marriage just for sex, but that among its many other benefits marriage provides an acceptable outlet for our sexual urges.

[funmudder]

I'm actually looking for truth on this subject. These are honest questions I'm asking.


Hon, I'm giving you an honest answer: go read the Bible. REAL truth and understanding of what God wants from YOU can not be found in sound bites or condensed paragraphs. YOU have to spend time in the Word for your self. YOU have to seek the answers from God for yourself in His word. You want a POWERFUL truth? It takes a powerful amount of personal time reading and studying Gods word ON YOUR OWN. Pray, ask the Lord what you want to learn, read, read and read again. The Bible truely is a supernatural book and the Lord will teach you Himself, IF you let Him.

What some random author decided God meant has zero meaning or application to what YOU should be learning on your own. God made us all differently, and He teaches us all differently, and He only has one textbook.


A soundbite answer:
Sex is for marriage.
Don't do anything with your date that you would not do with your aunt Fanny.
Restraining yourself, having control over your own sexual urges is flat out mocked in this culture. Does not change the truth of it though.
Anything you do with your date, or girlfriend is potentially with someones ELSES future bride. Try to think of it that way. How many men do you want getting physical (in any way) with YOUR bride before she meets you?
Sex is not just knocking boots, kissing or just fooling around. There is something spiritual that happens, a piece of you is given up to the other person, even if it's a one night stand.

[DonO]

When I was reading through the article below I couldn't help but think of the Emergent Churches obsession with sex. Rob Bell writes a book called, "Sex God." We also hear of Churches with this promotion, "Come to our Church and Improve Your Sex Life." Do we become so desensitized to sex that we then later fall into pornography. The gift that God has given us, (sex within marriage) must be respected at a high level.

Does this mean that Dr. Ruth is going to be touring and lecturing at church now? :jerry

[funmudder]

I think the problem lies more with us becoming desensitized to something intended to be a unique, intimate and sacred part of marriage.
Humans have, once again, been lured into taking a spicy gift from God, and turning it into the equivilant of fast food = cheap, on every corner, and no real value.

[Harley]

Good article.

I have yet to read "Sex God" by Rob Bell.

Given the onslaught of soft and hard porn in our culture, given the acceptability of poor role models, and given the general sensitivity of the culture to sexual morals in general - I think the church talking about, and offering teach on sex, far being being a contributory factor, is a needed ministry. If the culture is obsessed and wrong - who better than the church to correct?

Obviously we all believe the biblical mandate regarding purity before and fidelity after marriage. But why should sex talk be limited to the "Thou shalt nots" and premarital counseling? What about couples who come to Christ after marriage, who never had premarital conversations regarding biblical sexuality?

If nothing else the Song of Solomon would make a great couples retreat theme...