Flood of pornography breaching the church

[Harley]

I'm actually looking for truth on this subject. These are honest questions I'm asking. Nowhere in this thread have I been combative or argumentative. This a subject with which I have been very poorly acquainted- both by family, and the church. And everything that I read or been told is, "If you can't control it, just get married." Which seems okay, but I don't even know what I'm looking for.
I guess I am capable of reading what Scripture has to say about sex, but I don't know that I'm capable of grasping it without the wisdom of people who've been there before me. It's been true and still seems true that this is a dangerous subject to approach on my own.
I realize that I'm not everyone's favorite person on this site, but I'm actually here for a reason, and despite the conclusions drawn about me, it's not solely to cause discord within the body. All of my posts, except for one, despite being unpopular, are honest.
Anyway, I'm going to pass on participating in this thread anymore.

Peace

Grape on the Vine,
Kudos for wrestling with an issue and wanting to pursue a biblical course. As others have said, the Bible is to be your primary source for this along with the attending conviction/illumination of the Holy Spirit. Keep at it.

I also commend you for pursuing the wisdom of those who have gone before. This has the added danger of lacking the inspiration of the Spirit, but nonetheless, seeking counsel from wise, experienced, biblical counselors is also a God-given and biblical model to employ.

[Beth O]

Obviously we all believe the biblical mandate regarding purity before and fidelity after marriage. But why should sex talk be limited to the "Thou shalt nots" and premarital counseling? What about couples who come to Christ after marriage, who never had premarital conversations regarding biblical sexuality?

If nothing else the Song of Solomon would make a great couples retreat theme...

I wasn't saved until I was married for 7 years. I made many mistakes because I was not taught the Biblical way and did not want to learn the Biblical way. I brought a lot of baggage into my marriage as did my husband. Christ did make me a new creation and I then had to learn the Biblical way. There was a hate of my previous life, (repentance). So for couples that are saved after marriage, it's no different go to the Word of God, if counsel is needed seek Pastoral counseling. Counseling should be within the Church, not the world.

[jorjean]

I wasn't saved until I was married for 7 years. I made many mistakes because I was not taught the Biblical way and did not want to learn the Biblical way. I brought a lot of baggage into my marriage as did my husband. Christ did make me a new creation and I then had to learn the Biblical way. There was a hate of my previous life, (repentance). So for couples that are saved after marriage, it's no different go to the Word of God, if counsel is needed seek Pastoral counseling. Counseling should be within the Church, not the world.

Amen and amen. The Church does have a part to play in sex education. For singles and engaged. The Word is alive and relevant to every day life including our sex lives. How sad is it that we can get 50 congregations to rally at an abortion clinic, but the same people flinch at calling lust in the heart a sin. If we could stop the lust in the heart maybe we could stop abortion. Go after the sin (lust) not the symptom (abortion). I heard a teaching on CSN about how God hates our tolerance. We have way to much tolerance for sin. What we think may just be OK could be our down fall. Isn't it sad also that our society tolerates everything but a Christian. They teach Islam in California schools but they (the students) can't bring a Bible to school.:gaah

[Harley]

I wasn't saved until I was married for 7 years. I made many mistakes because I was not taught the Biblical way and did not want to learn the Biblical way. I brought a lot of baggage into my marriage as did my husband. Christ did make me a new creation and I then had to learn the Biblical way. There was a hate of my previous life, (repentance). So for couples that are saved after marriage, it's no different go to the Word of God, if counsel is needed seek Pastoral counseling. Counseling should be within the Church, not the world.

Sounds like we are saying similar things...

[Warrior Prophet]

Churches should be places where we don't avoid the subject of sex. To do so would lead many to find the world's view of sex much more attractive than when we say 'Just don't do it because the Bible says so.' However, I think that the title 'Sex God' is pretty much used to get heads to turn and is more about causing a controversy than any real edification. If I'm correct, this is written by Rob Bell who is not above provoking a reaction to 'make a point' which is more times than not a scenario where the controversy is what becomes the point and not not whatever point he makes (most of which are pretty weak in any case.)

[Beth O]

Churches should be places where we don't avoid the subject of sex. To do so would lead many to find the world's view of sex much more attractive than when we say 'Just don't do it because the Bible says so.' However, I think that the title 'Sex God' is pretty much used to get heads to turn and is more about causing a controversy than any real edification. If I'm correct, this is written by Rob Bell who is not above provoking a reaction to 'make a point' which is more times than not a scenario where the controversy is what becomes the point and not not whatever point he makes (most of which are pretty weak in any case.)

Of course the problem is that the Churches view of sex is starting to look no different then the worlds, isn't it?

[funmudder]

Of course the problem is that the Churches view of sex is starting to look no different then the worlds, isn't it?


Exactly!