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true2yeshua
July 21st, 2007, 08:57 AM
This a continuation of my previous post as I was concerned of being 'timed out'.

5) FM teaches that salvation may be attained by 'good works' and not through faith in Jesus Christ alone.
6) FM advocates in many of its writings the non-biblical teachings of universalism.
7) In some of the lodges FM discriminate against non-whites

(SBC Summary on FM)

BrkBrln, and anyone else who has bought into the lie that the Fez-dipping, oath taking (blood rites) FM's are an organization that is not in direct contrast to walk of a follower of Jesus Christ ... may God Himself open up your eyes. :pray

My heart shudders for any person who is a part of this group. Come out of her before you share in the Wrath of God! Jesus Christ is the only way to God. He is the only Name under Heaven and Earth by which we must be saved. God will not deal lightly with those who bow the knee to anyone other than Him!

Waiting 2 go, I will be in prayer for your family. We have prayed earnestly for those we know of who are in FM. What is heartbreaking is that many pastors, deacons and 'well respected' members of society are FM's and this fact in itself affords them a 'legitimacy'. God is able as there is no pit too deep that He is not able to lift one up out of!

Another reason this organization has flown 'under the radar', so to speak, is because of their seemingly altrusitic efforts in the community: The Shriners being a big one. When told the reason behind the color of the fez hats reject it outright or respond "oh, but they're such a good organization" OR "They've done so much for suffering children" OR "My grandfather, uncle and father were part of it so..." However, historical facts are just that. Centuries ago, bloody thirsty and violent men rode through a town slaughtering all the Christians and on their way out dipped the top of these hats in the blood that was flowing through the streets. Research it for yourself and see. These were evil men and they wore these hats as a 'medal of honor'....sounds anything but good.

A visit to www.ericbarger.com, of Take A Stand Ministries, would be helpful as it has a wealth of information on this subject. In fact, a few good ones to purchase are:

* Freemasonry vs. Christianity: The Bible the Lodge and You! DVD
* The Cult of Freemasonry VHS

There is a small booklet that we no longer have as we gave it to someone who has family in the FM, but it has pictures of the 'god' they refer to as the worshipful master and it looks suspiciously resembles a goat.

Lastly, the FM wear some type of sheep undergarment over their loins to ensure their protection from some evil or other and the other group that does this is the Mormons...interesting little factoid. :candle

God bless you,

Shalom in Christ
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Pray for the peace of Jerusalem

Waiting2go
July 21st, 2007, 09:04 AM
Gotcha, makes sense now. Thank you for your prayers.

true2yeshua
July 21st, 2007, 09:07 AM
Just curious as to why my name is at the bottom of your post? :scratch It appears that I had quoted something inside your post, which I didn't. Having said that, I agree with everything you posted.

Waiting2go,

Please forgive me...I wrote your name down so I would remember to tell you I am praying for your family. I have fixed my error.

A few times while typing a post my dialup has thrown me offline and that is frustrating! Perhaps with practice, I'm rather new to rr, my thoughts will be more concise it's just that this subject makes me so upset. We left a church over this two years ago. My own family members have been involved in this as well, grandparents. My beloved grandmother was an eastern star, as her second husband was a mason. Prior to her death a few years ago, I asked if she knew Jesus she assured me she did. The only way my heart can handle this is to lay it down and leave it in God's Hand as He is the Righteous Judge.

Shalom in Christ
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Pray for the peace of Jerusalem

Waiting2go
July 21st, 2007, 09:15 AM
Waiting2go,

Please forgive me...I wrote your name down so I would remember to tell you I am praying for your family. I have fixed my error.

A few times while typing a post my dialup has thrown me offline and that is frustrating! Perhaps with practice, I'm rather new to rr, my thoughts will be more concise it's just that this subject makes me so upset. We left a church over this two years ago. My own family members have been involved in this as well, grandparents. My beloved grandmother was an eastern star, as her second husband was a mason. Prior to her death a few years ago, I asked if she knew Jesus she assured me she did. The only way my heart can handle this is to lay it down and leave it in God's Hand as He is the Righteous Judge.

Shalom in Christ
________________________
Pray for the peace of Jerusalem

I figured it out after you posted your continuation post and I posted after it. I do appreciate your prayers as I have family members not only involved in freemasonary, but also mormonism. :hug It is heartbreaking. Especially since the ones who are mormons have now pulled in some younger family members.....it tears my heart apart.

BrckBrln
July 21st, 2007, 01:38 PM
I wonder which is worse ...

- belonging to an organisation which does not use the name of Jesus Christ,
or watching a movie that misuses the name of Jesus Christ

- belonging to an unchristian organisation and doing good works,
or belonging to a Christian organisation and not doing any good works

- belonging to an organisation that embraces people of all faiths,
or belonging to a denomination and calling other Christians heretics and apostates

btw ... just in case anyone is wondering, yes, I do know that two wrongs don't make a right :)

Great post.

Buzzardhut
July 21st, 2007, 03:24 PM
I wonder which is worse ...

- belonging to an organisation which does not use the name of Jesus Christ,
or watching a movie that misuses the name of Jesus Christ

- belonging to an unchristian organisation and doing good works,
or belonging to a Christian organisation and not doing any good works

- belonging to an organisation that embraces people of all faiths,
or belonging to a denomination and calling other Christians heretics and apostates

btw ... just in case anyone is wondering, yes, I do know that two wrongs don't make a right :)

We should aim for the right, not the worst.

Barkley
July 21st, 2007, 03:58 PM
The Masons caught my attention a long time ago. I was obessed to the point where I felt the Lord wanted me to back off.

There are different degrees of Masons and the first level doesn't even know what's going on. From what I remember it's the 33 degree Masons that are the ones to watch out for. Bush is a Mason, Bush and Kerry are both Skull and Bones. Clinton belongs tho the Tri lateral Commission.

None of those Societies are up to any good and there's not much you can do about it.

The Lord knows, keep your eye on the Lord, the Lord will deal with it.

It will distract you from the Lord and drive you nuts if you start researching it.

Wally
July 23rd, 2007, 06:07 PM
Buzzardhut - Excellent posts. I was hoping someone would quote their Monitor.

I too believe the Masons are a cult as far as doctrine. I personally was invited to join. I stated that I worshipped Jesus. I was told (this was a very high mason - I think they have some higher degrees that are unpublished - 35th?) that that would work. You just needed A god. I reiterated that there was no other god and I had no choice in the matter and believing in any other god was sin. Nothing more was said about masonry. And this should have been a man able to withness to a young teenager new in Christ.

I do want to make a distinction: Masons are not inherantly evil. They strive to do good works. They care for their brothers. They seek the highest of character. They, like many cults, put the general population of christians to shame. They do good works. The problem is what they believe. Jesus made it exclusive John 14:6. Therefore Masonry is antichrist. They deny Jesus' claim to being exclusive. They deny the person of Jesus.

As for the Boy Scouts, Yes the Order of the Arrow is a fraternity that oozes with masonry - paganism. Even the scout program has many references to native american lore/belief.

However Scouting also allows the expression of all beliefs and encourages scouts to persue their own religion - including protestant, catholic, muslim and even fundemental Bible. Scouting also strives for good things, character, works, knowledge. Like many things of this world, it is what we make of it. However if you leave something to the world, don't vote, don't participate, don't make your opnions/beliefs known, you deserve the mess you get. If you want to make a difference, get involved, and shine the light!

jelaine
July 23rd, 2007, 07:04 PM
It's not secret, hidden or lost. He's the stone the builders rejected. Who are the builders? What builders work with stone?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DApsHYyJCm0

[YOU TUBE VIDEO]DApsHYyJCm0[/YOU TUBE VIDEO]

:pray for God's people to all see the Truth!

true2yeshua
July 23rd, 2007, 07:17 PM
Buzzardhut - Excellent posts. I was hoping someone would quote their Monitor.

I do want to make a distinction: Masons are not inherantly evil. They strive to do good works. They care for their brothers. They seek the highest of character. They, like many cults, put the general population of christians to shame. They do good works. The problem is what they believe. Jesus made it exclusive John 14:6. Therefore Masonry is antichrist. They deny Jesus' claim to being exclusive. They deny the person of Jesus.

If you want to make a difference, get involved, and shine the light!


Wally,

Thanks for sharing your experience. The motivation for my own post is love and a desire 'shine the light'. Having read the morals and dogma of the FM, due to the revelation that a church we attended had at least two men in leadership positions who are active FM's, it is clear that all initiates begin their membership in this fashion.

Moreover, it has been said for some time that 'the average FM does not have any idea what they are becoming part of'. Perhaps that has merit, but once they are told to get on their knees, say they are 'in darkness and seeking light' and that they are here to 'get it from the worshipful master' - the truth is out, is it not? It is difficult to comprehend how someone who knows Jesus Christ would ever speak those words'.

As to inherent evil, all men are inherently evil according to the God who created us. "for the inent of man's heart is evil from his youth", Gen 8:21; "If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to those who ask him?" Lk 11:13

Prior to encountering Jesus Christ and His cleansing power we are all wretched, blind, poor, naked and evil at heart. Praise God we no longer are in our previous state, because we have been changed by the power of Jesus Christ! :yay

God bless,