The Masons & Freemasonry

[roberto49]

Look, I never said they were a Christian group. I do know that you have to believe in a Supreme Being whether it be God or Allah or Buddha I guess it doesn't matter. You can be non Christian without being demonic. And don't say I haven't researched well because I bet I've researched more than you. Anyway, like I said, I'm not even going to argue with anybody on this.
With all respsect,as a son of a mason( my father was high in the hierarchy)I can GUARANTEE IT IS ONE OF THE MOST DEMONIC SECT ( LIKE the MORMONS btw) that exist....BY GOD'S GRACE my father ( who is with THE LORD since 1986) got born again when THE LORD gracefully used me in 1973 and my father LEFT the LODGE because THE HOLY SPIRIT TOLD him so,without enobody telling him,he went and said goodbye and even testified to some BIG SHOTS there and my father TOLD ME everything they do....I haven't got time now,going to work,sorry,BUT THEY WORSHIP LUCIFER!!!!!Camon,LETS US WAKE UP PEOPLE!!!
SHALOM

[Zaphnathpaaneah]

Masonry's "religion" is that of general revelation, not special revelation. This means Freemasonry does not address the special revelation of any religion. For Christians, this means the Word of God as given to us in the Bible.

And for pagans, Hindus, Buddists, Wiccans and anything else someone wants to worship, they can feel right at home in a "lodge" because you can worship any old generic "god" you want there.

Now, do you or do you not think that the Bible is an encyclopedic work that conveys important accumulated knowledge (of God in this case) for the subject domain (of God and our relationship to Him in this case)?

No, I do not think the Bible is "accumulated knowledge". I believe it is the inspired word of God. This is different from an encycolpedia of man's limited knowledge (which new volumes need to be printed as revisions and updates when man's knowledge is shown to be wrong).

"Thus by the very honor which Masonry pays to the Bible, it teaches us to revere every book of faith in which men find help for today and hope for the morrow, joining hands with the man of Islam as he takes his oath on the Koran, and with the Hindu as he makes covenant with God upon the book he loves best".

from The Words of A Great Masonic Divine by Joseph Fort Newton

I haven't read any of Joseph Fort Newton's works ..... So as to whether you quoted out of context or not, I'd guess yes.

There it is! That quote would just "have" to be taken out of context, wouldn't it? I mean if it means just what it plainly says, then the Hindu and Islamic gods are part of masonry just fine. Then when you are partaking in a ritual to your god, you are serving those gods too.

So, by definition, the official Masonic organizational stance on any holy book is neutral. That judgment is reserved for the individual Mason to decide on.

There's exactly the problem. I am not neutral on the Bible. I'm against false beliefs and doctrines which God warns will lead to judgement and hell.

Any Hindu's and Muslims in your lodge need to be warned and standing by in fellowship with them in some ritual is only going to reinforce the notion that all gods are the same.


Of course, you can always judge for yourself:

I have. We are called to judge between true and false. (Flee idolatry). The above quotes spell it out clearly.

I will tell you something the antiMasons won't. It is a Masonic duty to tell any man that if he feels that Freemasonry will conflict with his religious beliefs that he should either not join or should leave Masonry.

Exactly. If you are a Christian, have no fellowship with the occult. Flee the idolatry of masonry.

We are telling people to leave if they want to.

Which is what the purpose of this thread is.

RUN! GET OUT NOW!

[Buzzardhut]

And for pagans, Hindus, Buddists, Wiccans and anything else someone wants to worship, they can feel right at home in a "lodge" because you can worship any old generic "god" you want there.

No, I do not think the Bible is "accumulated knowledge". I believe it is the inspired word of God. This is different from an encycolpedia of man's limited knowledge (which new volumes need to be printed as revisions and updates when man's knowledge is shown to be wrong).

There it is! That quote would just "have" to be taken out of context, wouldn't it? I mean if it means just what it plainly says, then the Hindu and Islamic gods are part of masonry just fine. Then when you are partaking in a ritual to your god, you are serving those gods too.

There's exactly the problem. I am not neutral on the Bible. I'm against false beliefs and doctrines which God warns will lead to judgement and hell.

Any Hindu's and Muslims in your lodge need to be warned and standing by in fellowship with them in some ritual is only going to reinforce the notion that all gods are the same.

I have. We are called to judge between true and false. (Flee idolatry). The above quotes spell it out clearly.

Exactly. If you are a Christian, have no fellowship with the occult. Flee the idolatry of masonry.

Which is what the purpose of this thread is.

RUN! GET OUT NOW!:nod

[BlessedinHim]

Three points, 1) I've never seen that bit of Masonic ritual. I've seen it sourced to the York Rite, but I'm not a member, so I don't know. Interestingly enough, for at least some of the degrees in the York Rite, being a Christian is a requirement....

2) I suppose you air your family's, church's and job's dirty laundry publicly everywhere, correct? No privacy at all? Not even if your job included keeping classified information for national security reasons?

3) Ummm, what evil works? I've been pointing out a good bit of darkness in these two posts and I don't see much looking for light while seeing a good bit of lies and slander.


Concerning point #2: you are comparing apples and oranges here. comparing family life to secret societies is not a good comparison. You do not take horrible oaths with your family or church. We do not carry out secret rituals. On the other hand, the masons do carry out secret rituals and handshakes and wear special clothing for their lodge meetings. Those little aprons and special hats and stuff. All those symbols stand for secret order stuff to a mason, whether the protractor is on top of or under, all means something different.

New initiates do not know all the ramifications of what they are joining. They dont know all the ins and outs until they get to the 33rd degree.

Free masonry is not a job. It is a secret society. If a persons job requires some secrecy for the matter of national security, that is different than what the Masons expect.

While I am not a full blown extreme crazy conspiracy theorist, I do believe that where there is smoke there is a fire. you got the rosicrucians(sp?), skull and bones, free masonry, the bilderbergers, the trilateral commission, there are more, they are all tied together by a common thread. MONEY/POWER/WORLD DOMINATION. Which leads you one step further: NEW WORLD ORDER This is a fact. one step further gets you to a biblical understanding- the ANTI-christ.

I do not know the full depth of any one of these organizations mentioned, but, I do know they are connected and the common thread connects them all and it does lead to world domination by the NEW WORLD ORDER leader, the anti-christ.

You only have to watch the news, research the people involved, watch where the money is, see how and where it flows..... Where there is smoke, there is fire.

Point #3: No one here has said that the masons do evil works on the outside. They do many good things out in the open. Telling the truth is not slander. Masons are sworn to protect another mason by doing whatever is necessary for that protection.

[Samson48]

I have done the research, Free masonry is nothing more then an extension of mystery mysticism, admit it you don't even know the whole meaning to most of the rituals(one involves being born again into masonry), do you think Jesus supports any religion that puts him and his words on par with other "Gods", the Bible was written right the first time, why then do people feel they need to add to it, does it make you feel better to move up one degree after the next? is it that you need to fill your heart with meaningless titles to make you feel whole?

[Tio-Peregrino]

LOL. Why do people think that they need to use the tactics of Satan (the father of lies) to defend the Gospel and Church of Jesus Christ? If you think that Masons have their own god, their own theology, their own path to salvation or any of the other trappings of a religion, you are sadly mistaken.

Mister "I'm 44", I'm 45 and it is trivial to see that you haven't done much primary research at all, if any. I'm amused that the same lies persist for decades, being repackaged for sale by hucksters who need to fund their "ministries" for a donation, of course, to their tax free organizations. Dan Brown is a prodigy by antiMasonic standards.

Let us take Albert Pike's Morals and Dogma, the secondhand source of many of these most interesting lies (most of the rest are from proven forgeries, another "secret" antiMasons don't reveal). Note that the size of this book puts it on par with the Bible as being an encyclopedic work, which means I can "prove" anything by quoting out of context. For example, look at Matthew 5:38, by simply quoting that verse, said by Jesus, I can spin all kinds of heretical stuff out about Jesus being for that kind of action, as long as nobody looks at the context, which is common among readers of antiMasonic tripe. Besides being out of context and/or edited quotes (as anyone who did the primary research would have noticed), one of the "secrets" of "occult" Freemasonry written by the "supreme" authority of Freemasonry remains carefully hidden by the antiMasons. It refutes their cause as do the other "secrets" they choose not to reveal in their books that are available for a donation.

From the preface of Morals and Dogma: Emphasis mine.

Oh my. All that, even if it is actually sourced correctly (very rarely), isn't required for Freemasons to believe! Oh yeah, that book is only for a small percentage of Masons who join the Southern Jurisdiction of the Scottish Rite, not ALL Freemasons as the antiMason implies heavily. Amazing the joys of primary research.

Oh, what does old Hank H. have to say?



Same crappy sources that promote the usual lies, but let’s check on Hank’s five points:
1) Really, news to me, but it is interesting how antiMasons have so penetrated the “secrets” of Freemasonry that they can always manage to teach something new to Masons about Masonry.
2) Striking or vague? Yes, some symbols are common, but then the cross itself has some pagan interpretations and this says what about the Christian interpretation?
3) News to me, as usual. This one can be considered as having a grain of truth though. There is some urging to think on the meaning of certain symbols, but the meanings are explained, not the attempted New Age link (it was Satanic in earlier decades). For example, the compasses (of Square & Compasses fame) are a symbol to remind Masons to circumscribe their actions and keep their passions within due bounds. Definitely not New Age meditations for esoteric meaning stuff.
4) News to me, never ever heard of this. This is really a fall out of the chair moment, imagining some of the Masons I know doing trance meditation.
5) Okay, some “number of Masons” believe this. Since all the secrets are open to the dedicated antiMason (otherwise they couldn’t make their pronouncements with any authority), what number? Can it be stated as a percentage or raw number? Can we get an estimate closer than one to some millions?

Of course, the usual ending of how sincere, devoted Christians, even theologians, ministers and apologists, men of intellectual attainment and spiritual discernment stay members of Freemasonry. How can this be? AHA! They are too stupid and/or ignorant to notice this “problem” with Masonry, even though they are far better qualified than the antiMason is. Oh yeah, if the Mason doesn’t accept this without question, then he just hasn’t “gone far enough” in the degree system to "see" the "obvious" ways in which a fraternal/social group is an antiChristian religion. That’s it, case closed.

Let's see, on one hand we have C.H. Spurgeon, the "Prince of Preachers", who has no antiMasonic commentary and the only mentions of Freemasonry in his sermons are that believers should act more like ideal Masons should. On the other hand, we have Larry Kunk, of Ephesians5:11 who advises that you should run a stealth campaign on a Mason to ambush him by surprise to be able to witness to him. LOL, so much for bold declaration of the Gospel.

I will tell you one thing, in this maze of antiMasonry, ignorance, conspiracy theories and lies, I was tempted by sin. It tempted me to leave Masonry because of the works of the antiMasons. It tempted me to then go on a full press apologetic of Masonry to root out these lies told to "defend" the Gospel and Church. Then I realized that would take away from the things I need to do for God.

Scriptures to ponder: Luke 16:10 - If they will lie about something to make money, what else will they lie about?

Matthew 7:17-18 - Amazing how the "evil/corrupt" tree of Freemasonry brings forth good fruits (works) in contradiction to Jesus' teachings.

Of course, up next any other social group: like the Rotary, AA, the local bowling league and even some church groups I've seen in my life.

On a somber note, the ignorance that permeates this thread showed up here recently in reverse. A son was asked if his dying father knew Christ and the son replied that of course his father knew Christ, he is a Mason. That is both heartwarming in one sense and sad in another. The outward charitable works of Masons being equated with Christian actions is good, but the lack of knowledge that made this son think that a fraternity equaled an inward personal relationship with the Son is so very sad.

:thinking

[Kamatu]

With all respsect,as a son of a mason( my father was high in the hierarchy)I can GUARANTEE IT IS ONE OF THE MOST DEMONIC SECT ( LIKE the MORMONS btw) that exist....BY GOD'S GRACE my father ( who is with THE LORD since 1986) got born again when THE LORD gracefully used me in 1973 and my father LEFT the LODGE because THE HOLY SPIRIT TOLD him so,without enobody telling him,he went and said goodbye and even testified to some BIG SHOTS there and my father TOLD ME everything they do....I haven't got time now,going to work,sorry,BUT THEY WORSHIP LUCIFER!!!!!Camon,LETS US WAKE UP PEOPLE!!!
SHALOM

Aha, testimony time. I spent a couple of years doing phone calls to Masons who hadn't paid their dues. Many of them were dropping out from a combination of two reasons: 1) they weren't real active and 2) they were being badgered unendingly by a younger relative or new preacher who wouldn't listen to them and assumed that they were ignorant to be a Mason. They did enjoy the chat and knew that the antiMasonic accusations were a crock of excrement, but to keep peace in the family and/or church, it wasn't worth fighting over a social group they weren't active in.

And for pagans, Hindus, Buddists, Wiccans and anything else someone wants to worship, they can feel right at home in a "lodge" because you can worship any old generic "god" you want there.

Well, you got it right putting quotes around "lodge" if you are going to talk about "worship", since there isn't any. I'll put if very clearly to you, I have never seen any sort of worship service in a Masonic lodge. Grace said before meals and prayers to open and close business meetings, yes, but then you can find that at any number of other social groups that aren't mentioned here. You still didn't address my point, so why don't you look up Romans 1:20 and see if you can make the distinction between special and general revelation.

No, I do not think the Bible is "accumulated knowledge". I believe it is the inspired word of God. This is different from an encycolpedia of man's limited knowledge (which new volumes need to be printed as revisions and updates when man's knowledge is shown to be wrong).

Ok, you obviously don't understand and are speaking from ignorance. An encyclopedia and an encyclopedic work are two, count them, one-two, different things. Please stop conflating them. While the Bible is the Word of God for a Christian like myself, it is also represents the accumulated knowledge of God's progressive revelation of Himself to mankind. In this particular way, it is an encyclopedic work. Did you even get my point about how Matthew 5:38 could be used, or rather, misused?

There it is! That quote would just "have" to be taken out of context, wouldn't it? I mean if it means just what it plainly says, then the Hindu and Islamic gods are part of masonry just fine. Then when you are partaking in a ritual to your god, you are serving those gods too.

Really? Where did you read that? From the quote you gave me? The one that talks about religious books as a class without getting into the quality of their contents? You do realize that books <> gods, or do you worship the Bible? This is what is implied by the jump shift in your response.

There's exactly the problem. I am not neutral on the Bible. I'm against false beliefs and doctrines which God warns will lead to judgement and hell.

I'm not neutral on it either, but Masonry is, just like the Founding Fathers were when they wrote and approved the first amendment to the US Constitution. They knew that to follow Christ was an individual issue and no amount of coercion could make one be saved. Of course, they didn't cover the issue of lies and slander, but the New Testament does. Check the end of Ephesians 4 and Jude then wonder about this thread.

Any Hindu's and Muslims in your lodge need to be warned and standing by in fellowship with them in some ritual is only going to reinforce the notion that all gods are the same.

Actually have never seen any, but the ability to witness to them is only restricted during lodge meetings, in other words, at a business meeting.

On this "standing if fellowship" issue, do you think that the only fellowship is Christian fellowship? That one cannot be in fellowship in lesser manners with nonChristians? That I cannot work with a Jew in a charity perhaps? What about even being friends with one?

Speaking as a Mason (remember that each Mason speaks for himself about Freemasonry, except the Grandmaster of a Grand Jurisdiction while he is in office), the only people who think that Masonry is universalist are antiMasons. I guess because it would sell books and tapes better.

I have. We are called to judge between true and false. (Flee idolatry). The above quotes spell it out clearly.

You have made too many category errors in your points for me to trust your discernment and therefore your ability to judge accurately in this case.

Exactly. If you are a Christian, have no fellowship with the occult. Flee the idolatry of masonry.

I don't and I'll flee as soon as I see this idolatry. Note: this does not mean individual Masons don't have problems, but then I don't think all Christian preachers and priests are child molesting, church treasury stealing, wife abandoning, adulterous, koolaid drinking homosexuals either. I don't make the error of imputing individual crimes to organizations.

Which is what the purpose of this thread is.

RUN! GET OUT NOW!

Actually, it looks like the purpose of this thread is to promote slander, bad research and gossip. It also seems among the other big posters to suffer from a bit of the "my mind's made up, don't confuse me with the facts".

Concerning point #2: you are comparing apples and oranges here. comparing family life to secret societies is not a good comparison.

You are the one who said:As a christian, we should not be doing secret things behind closed doors. Those things done in secret will be shouted out on the rooftops. What ever you do in secret now, will be known later to everyone. So the issue was on "doing secret things behind closed doors", which you tried to make a condemnation of Freemasonry. I simply pointed out there were far many other arenas where the same behavior was also acceptable. The secret things behind closed doors are the business transactions and technically the ritual work. Technically, because you can find versions of it being floated around for the last three centuries. However, it seems one secret has been kept. Or maybe like printing the prefaces and caveats from Masonic works, the antiMasons simply don't mention this because it would destroy their case and less stuff would sell. The secret, see the next bit.....

You do not take horrible oaths with your family or church. We do not carry out secret rituals.

I never did take any of the "horrible oaths", the Grand Jurisdiction I got my degrees in hand changed the obligation to remove that bit. Some do, some don't. The ones that do, do so for tradition, but even then it is explained about the symbology of the penalties and the actual penalties are given (reprimand, suspension, expulsion) and the ones that don't don't to avoid giving antiMasons ammunition. Of course, as we can see, it didn't do any good, the slander machine has rolled on for centuries and still keeps chugging. Just like the antiChristian one, same tactics and all.

I knew everything that was going to happen before I obtained my degrees, if you want to know what goes on in a lodge, go read some of the ritual books. I wouldn't buy from antiMasonic sources though, they have been caught doing a bit of judicious editing to bolster their "case".

On the other hand, the masons do carry out secret rituals and handshakes and wear special clothing for their lodge meetings. Those little aprons and special hats and stuff. All those symbols stand for secret order stuff to a mason, whether the protractor is on top of or under, all means something different.

Again, you can find descriptions of the working tools and what they symbolize easily enough. There sometimes may be several interpretations, but nothing real fancy. The individual is supposed to use them as symbolic reminders.

New initiates do not know all the ramifications of what they are joining. They dont know all the ins and outs until they get to the 33rd degree.

LOL. What about those who never join the Scottish Rite, just as I've never joined the York Rite? Oh, and which 33d degree are you talking about since each Scottish Rite is independent? BTW, this is a common tactic of the antiMason, to dismiss someone who can refute their points since they aren't 33d degree. Which puts the antiMason in the amusing position of attacking a social group that isn't incompatible with Christianity for 99%+ of its content. Of course, this matches the 99%+ of Christian apologists, ministers, preachers and theologians who find no such incompatibility. Oh yeah, they are all ignorant, liars or spawn of Satan. Whatever.

Free masonry is not a job. It is a secret society. If a persons job requires some secrecy for the matter of national security, that is different than what the Masons expect.

While I am not a full blown extreme crazy conspiracy theorist, I do believe that where there is smoke there is a fire. you got the rosicrucians(sp?), skull and bones, free masonry, the bilderbergers, the trilateral commission, there are more, they are all tied together by a common thread. MONEY/POWER/WORLD DOMINATION. Which leads you one step further: NEW WORLD ORDER This is a fact. one step further gets you to a biblical understanding- the ANTI-christ.

Discernment please. Is the fire the firestorm of truth or the flicker of the smoke bomb? Amusing that you tie Masons to world domination when there are plenty of signs that the most free country on earth was established with a strong strain of Masonic thought. Let me ask you a question, why has every single tyranny in the last century tried to wipe out Masons? It couldn't be that Masonry teaches people to gain knowledge and resist tyranny, could it? No, it must be that this Masonry that is so sly and slick to confuse 99%+ of its members and most of the public suddenly becomes amazingly clumsy and stupid in the endgame of establishing the tyranny at a 100% rate.

I do not know the full depth of any one of these organizations mentioned, but, I do know they are connected and the common thread connects them all and it does lead to world domination by the NEW WORLD ORDER leader, the anti-christ.

Ok, this is getting a bit on the full blown side. There are some connections, but the "usual suspects" list you gave doesn't make all the organizations suspect. While I might discuss this on another thread you can get into silliness. For example, John Kerry was a member of the Skull n Bones, so was GW Bush. Kerry was in the Navy, Bush in the Air Force. So is the entire US military involved, or is it just the Navy and Air Force? Maybe it is just the Navy and the Air Force is just on the list because of the membership of some people. Maybe it is reversed. AHA, maybe it is the US military (or a USAF/USN plot) which happens to have some members from Skull n Bones.

You only have to watch the news, research the people involved, watch where the money is, see how and where it flows..... Where there is smoke, there is fire.

The discernment issue again.

Point #3: No one here has said that the masons do evil works on the outside. They do many good things out in the open. Telling the truth is not slander.

We are back to what Jesus said about corrupt trees not being able to produce good fruits, but anyway. I've seen little truth in this thread, no primary research, no follow up, no comparisons of sources, nothing to even look at whether or not any of the antis are even interested. I've seen plenty of lies since I've seen quotes of Morals and Dogma without a single reference outside of my post to the preface which has appeared in every copy for over a century. How the devil do you get "proof" of any of these charges from a book (BTW, the favorite book of the antiMason) that states: Every one is entirely free to reject and dissent from whatsoever herein may seem to him to be untrue or unsound. It is only required of him that he shall weigh what is taught, and give it fair hearing and unprejudiced judgment. Of course, the ancient theosophic and philosophic speculations are not embodied as part of the doctrines of the Rite; This means any use of this book to "prove" Masonic "theology" or doctrine is in fact a lie and slander.

Masons are sworn to protect another mason by doing whatever is necessary for that protection.

No.

I have done the research, Free masonry is nothing more then an extension of mystery mysticism, admit it you don't even know the whole meaning to most of the rituals(one involves being born again into masonry), do you think Jesus supports any religion that puts him and his words on par with other "Gods", the Bible was written right the first time, why then do people feel they need to add to it, does it make you feel better to move up one degree after the next? is it that you need to fill your heart with meaningless titles to make you feel whole?

Let's see: "I have done the research" and "one involves being born again into masonry". LOL, in your "research", you've discovered something not in Masonry. There is no being "born again", "rebirth" or other such term in the ritual. I know what you are referring to and it is a dead body that has begun to decompose and is to be moved for honorable burial because that body was just as dead as when it was put in the ground.

Category errors galore. The correct answer to your question "do you think Jesus supports any religion that puts him and his words on par with other "Gods"," is, for the Christian, no. Since Freemasonry is not a religion and doesn't judge between religious beliefs (that is the job of religions and theology), the question is irrelevant to a discussion of Masonry. If you think it is, then as in the above, you've discovered something not in Masonry. I'll dismiss the rest because it is all similar, you are making assumptions to "prove" or "find" something not in Masonry and then basing judgments off that while hurling accusations.

Don't get into apologetics, you will get your feelings hurt when you find out that your antiMasonic methods are the exact same ones used by antiChristians.


Ok guys, it has been fun, but for anyone who reads this thread, the point has been made if they are capable of rational thought and discernment. They can decide if I'm an ignorant liar as has been imputed to me here or not. They can do their own research, but this is cutting into other things that are more important.

[Amanda's mom]

You are on the right track
One of the Mason's books written by Albert Pike admits they worship Lucifer but they don't see him as satan, they see him as an angel of light

It's interesting. This is bringing up so many memories from my childhood. My dad was a mason at least to 32nd degree. He dropped out. When I asked him why, he just said that it was too expensive and he didn't have time.

The odd thing here is that I remember him pointing to a verse in Revelations and saying that it meant that believers were going to be taken in a rocket ship to another planet (the new earth). It stuck in my, then, 11 year-old mind (I'm 49 now). He said that we must all be very good so that we would be taken in the space ship and survive when this earth was burned up. I bring this up because in other threads I have read theories that one of the lies satan will tell those left-behind is that we were removed by the aliens in the UFOs because we were blocking everyone from developing. I wonder if my dad was spouting something that he had heard in the Masons. I thank God that he is out of it now and no longer wants any of their ritual things placed on his body when he is buried. I could not do it even if it was still his wish.

[Kamatu]

It's interesting. This is bringing up so many memories from my childhood. My dad was a mason at least to 32nd degree. He dropped out. When I asked him why, he just said that it was too expensive and he didn't have time.

The odd thing here is that I remember him pointing to a verse in Revelations and saying that it meant that believers were going to be taken in a rocket ship to another planet (the new earth). It stuck in my, then, 11 year-old mind (I'm 49 now). He said that we must all be very good so that we would be taken in the space ship and survive when this earth was burned up. I bring this up because in other threads I have read theories that one of the lies satan will tell those left-behind is that we were removed by the aliens in the UFOs because we were blocking everyone from developing. I wonder if my dad was spouting something that he had heard in the Masons. I thank God that he is out of it now and no longer wants any of their ritual things placed on his body when he is buried. I could not do it even if it was still his wish.

I've read both the theory that the Christians are "blocking everyone up" and that we are "moving to a higher plane" from New Age sources. It doesn't come from Masonry. I cannot be positive about the York Rite, but everything else is loosely based on history (and I mean loosely) from a few centuries ago. This predates the modern (and New Age) UFO phenomenon.

[Kamatu]

What is your point? The article itself is fairly straightforward. The Mormon leadership were not Freemasons, they moved to Nauvoo, IL and many joined and started several lodges. After that, the Mormon's Masonic-style rituals were added to the Mormon rituals. The Mormons ended up expelled by the Grand Lodge and as your article states ever since that time until the 1980s Mormons didn't become Masons.

Should Christianity be attacked because white racist groups use some of the forms and claim the same Bible of orthodox Christianity?

Freemasonry and the Latter Day Saint movement
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The relationship between Freemasonry and the Latter Day Saint movement began early in the history of Mormonism. Mormonism began during the wave of Anti-Masonry that struck the United States in the 1830s and 1840s. Despite this, Joseph Smith, Jr. and many of the Church founders were Freemasons, and started a lodge in Nauvoo, Illinois. There are parallels claimed between Mormon worship and symbolism and the stories and symbols of Freemasonry. In modern times, the LDS Church holds no position for or against the compatibility of Masonry with LDS doctrine.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freemas...Saint_movement