The Masons & Freemasonry

[Kamatu]

Quote "Again, my purpose here is not solely or even directly the defense of Freemasonry, but to correct the error (edit) to "defend" the Gospel."

I find this very hard to believe. In the other discussion that got locked you were presented with mountains of credible evidence that clearly shows Christianity and masonry are not compatible. Somehow, the sources are always not good enough for you.

Well, let's see. "Credible"? Like you quoting a nonMason's writings without noting that he wasn't a Mason until decades later? The total lack of response to my citing and even quoting the introduction to Morals and Dogma which totally undermines the point that is trying to be made? Taking writings out of context and redefining them to fit your agenda is the tactic of the Christ-denier and Christ-myther. Why do you want to be like them?

The blood of Jesus Christ was shed for all who would put their trust in him. Why would you defend an organization that mocks his death and denies his diety?

I don't.

Exo 20:16 Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor.

[Paul M]

How is denouncing Freemasonry being a Christ denier? That's backwards. It is Freemasons who deny Christ. If you don't think so, then try to mention Jesus in the lodge in any context other than swearing and see what happens.

If you're not advocating Masonry why do you keep trying to defend them with out of context bible verses? Every time I say something against masonry you quote scripture, it's like you believe that by attacking masonry, I'm attacking christianity.

I quoted Pike (where he says masonic temples are temples of religion)earlier and you had some issue with that, so now you want to quote from 'morals and dogma' this is ridiculous.

It seems like you want to pick portions of what Pike says but discard the portions that reveal the Luciferic nature of masonry.Pike is buried in 'The House of the Temple' in DC. He is one of the most revered figures in masonry. He was clear in his worship of Lucifer, if he was some fanatic, why is he held as such in such high regard?

Why don't you pick a side? Are you loyal to Christ or the lodge? I'm not going to discuss this further because it's not going anywhere.

" For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities,against powers,against the rulers of the darkness of this world ,against spiritual wickidness in high places." Ephesians 6 : 12

[mustang]

I was at a dinner in a lodge and the prayer before was prayed to Jesus and the man praying was a Mason.
It has been mentioned that any organization with symbols and has inititiation with members only attending must be evil then I need to leave the Navy because of the secret Chiefs initiation.

[Mopsie]

It has been mentioned that any organization with symbols and has inititiation with members only attending must be evil

It is the common practice of those who do take the symbols and their initiation to a level where they replace the cross or reptance that is the concern. It is commonly understood that organizations with ties to Masons or Freemasonry have a very watered down Christian theology which hurts those who come to understand Christianity from them because it is done in a way that only allows them to know partial truths and not necessarily to believe that the only way to salvation is through Jesus Christ. This is the truth that we have seen from people in our surrounding communities who go to church on Sunday but party the night before at their lodge or grange hall the night before and then carry with them into the church a manipulated and warped view of why they are even in church the first place.

Don't quit the Navy, but be a voice for Christ in your midst. :)

[mustang]

Sad thing is many people "party hard" before church. It isn't just any one group. Alcohol is usually not allowed in a Masonic lodge. I have just seen on youtube how people will put together videos trying to convince people almost anything is evil and this includes the Bible. A Mason may be of any religion. I would assume most lodges in the US are Christian while some in the Middle East would be primarily Muslim. I am not going to defend Muslim beliefs as I do not agree with them. But I won't attack an organization for allowing those of that belief to join.

I have no plans on quitting the Navy. I was just using it as a point.

[Obey]

I was just wondering can a believer be a member of the Free Masons
I know a few men who are Masons and also leaders in thier church

What say you?

[pegmo]

Well I only know one mason. I know he goes to a christian church, but wouldn't call him a born-again Christian.

This is what is kind of strange though. He was always very outspoken on his conservative politics and leanings and we have know him all of our lives.

Last month, we found out he is all excited about Obama! Unbelievable. Suddenly, Obama's positions are of no concern for him at all. He just is really whipped up about supporting Obama.

This struck my husband and me as very, very odd. Wondered if he had opened himself up to some kind of deception by being a mason? We don't know. But this was the most unlikely turn of events we have ever seen in a person. From ultra conservative, to supporting Obama. With an inability to articulate any reason for his change.

Still baffles us.

[icebear]

i believe that there are things required to be a mason, that compromises a person's Christian walk.

but my knowledge on that is limited.

[Hootmon]

Well I only know one mason. I know he goes to a christian church, but wouldn't call him a born-again Christian. Same here.

I suppose its possible to be both Christian and Mason for a time, but they would likely become mutually exclusive at the 'deeper' levels.

[ImHis]

based on what i've read and learned, there's an oath you take to "A" or "THE" supreme being...i can't see a Christian taking this oath or making a vow to a "god" who is a different entity for different individuals.

so in my mind:
either they take the oath and aren't saved

OR

because they are saved, they wouldn't take such an oath...