Will God "Definately" save people....

[Teacup]

who we have a burden for? I'm asking because the burden would have to be from Him, right?

Why give us a burden for someone, then not save them?

Please answer somebody. ysic, DLee

[No2Flesh]

who we have a burden for? I'm asking because the burden would have to be from Him, right?

Why give us a burden for someone, then not save them?

Please answer somebody. ysic, DLee


From His word we know that God wants to save everyone:

2 Peter 3:9
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

But then theres the free will problem...they can chose to reject Him.

I would pray for them that God would open their eyes, and if possible and led by the spirit witness to them personally in love.

[Saved by Grace_06]

who we have a burden for? I'm asking because the burden would have to be from Him, right?

Why give us a burden for someone, then not save them?

Please answer somebody. ysic, DLee

God uses prayer as a means to accomplish the end in salvation. Therefore, because God is sovereign and delights in saving people, have faith when you praying (without giving up in hope) that God will save those you love.

If I didnt believe that God saves people, then I wouldnt pray at all. But, because I know that "salvation is of the Lord" (Jon 2:9), and he seeks and saves the lost, I pray with faith.

[Saved by Grace_06]

From His word we know that God wants to save everyone:

2 Peter 3:9
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

But then theres the free will problem...they can chose to reject Him.

I would pray for them that God would open their eyes, and if possible and led by the spirit witness to them personally in love.


If you pray that God open people's eyes, who is causing them to believe - the people or God? If it is God who causes blind eyes to be open, who saves - us or God? If God, did we choose God or did God choose us?

[Teacup]

Hi Saved by Grace,

I believe God is sovereign in salvation also. I'm not wording my question right I guess....Here's the thing: I have a son that I have a very heavy heart for; I wan't him to have the peace that only God can give (salvation)

I feel like God keeps burdening me with prayer for him (I'm hoping it's not just a mother's love)

My question is this; why would the Lord prompt us to pray for someone that He does not intend to save? Would He do that? DLee

[Saved by Grace_06]

Hi Saved by Grace,

I believe God is sovereign in salvation also. I'm not wording my question right I guess....Here's the thing: I have a son that I have a very heavy heart for; I wan't him to have the peace that only God can give (salvation)

I feel like God keeps burdening me with prayer for him (I'm hoping it's not just a mother's love)

My question is this; why would the Lord prompt us to pray for someone that He does not intend to save? Would He do that? DLee


Honestly sister, I do not know. I do take solice in this fact though:

If we being evil can give Good and desire good for our families, how much will God desire good and do good for them?

I do not believe God will give you a desire only to not fulfill it - that would be cruel. And, our God isn't at all evil, but Good in every sense of the world.

I hope I helped!

[Jesse]

From His word we know that God wants to save everyone:

2 Peter 3:9
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

True, and I think that the verse you posted makes it as clear as can be that God wants to save everyone, as do many other verses in the Bible. And if man did not have a free will, then God would be the author of sin while condemning man for the very sin that He Himself is the author of!

So, in concern to the increasing popular idea that free will is a myth, I have addressed this in the following article that I wrote: http://members.tripod.com/jdlarsenmn/freewill.htm

Some may disagree with it, but if everything that happens is according to God's will (as many of those who deny free will insist), then I guess that would have to mean that what I am sharing here is also according to God's will, whether they agree with it or not. In that case, there would be no point for them to argue about it at all.:scratch

[Saved by Grace_06]

And if man did not have a free will, then God would be the author of sin while condemning man for the very sin that He Himself is the author of!


Can you explain that please? Also explain what you mean by freewill - can man do anything good in God's eyes?

[graceforme]

Yes, God desires that all would come to a saving knowledge of Jesus Christ. However, that free will that man has still comes into play. God's spirit strives with man's spirit, but man must make the decision to accept or refuse the gift of salvation.

It's heartbreaking to think of loved ones who aren't saved. And we need to pray for them constantly. We prayed for my Dad for years, and he finally accepted Christ at the age of 79, right before going into a surgery that the Dr. thought he might not come out of. But he did, and had 6 glorious of serving the Lord before he passed away. He said he should have made that decision years before, but just wouldn't give in.

Anyway, when I pray for unsaved loved ones, I never pray, "God, please save so-and-so. The person must come to God on his own, having trusted the blood of Christ for salvation. When I pray, I pray, "God, please don't let them rest until they turn to you for the salvation that you have promised to those who will accept it." Praying that God will save someone is unrealistic - unless they want to be saved, they won't be. As much as God loves us and wants us to go to heaven, he still leaves that decision up to us.

And to answer the question in one post - Can man do anything good in God's eyes? The answer is NO! In Philippians 4:8, Paul says, "Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ."

Paul counted everything that he had done in his own power as dung (worthless). He also says in another passage that his righteousness is as filthy rags. No, we can't do anything good, but God does see us as good. Why? Because He sees us through the Blood of Christ, and that makes us look righteous to Him. Praise God for allowing His Son to be the mediator between us and God. Otherwise, we'd be in big trouble!

[Teacup]

Anyway, when I pray for unsaved loved ones, I never pray, "God, please save so-and-so. The person must come to God on his own, having trusted the blood of Christ for salvation. When I pray, I pray, "God, please don't let them rest until they turn to you for the salvation that you have promised to those who will accept it." Praying that God will save someone is unrealistic - unless they want to be saved, they won't be. As much as God loves us and wants us to go to heaven, he still leaves that decision up to us.:scratch

Phillipians 1:29, For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake;

Romans 9:16, So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.