View Full Version : The Shroud of Turin: Is it Authentic?
September 21st, 2008, 03:13 PM
Don't believe that for a minute. Ridiculous. He is not some hideous creature.
September 21st, 2008, 03:18 PM
According to prophecy, Jesus probably didn't have looks (Isaiah 53:2)
September 21st, 2008, 03:25 PM
yes, we are told that He is not beautiful... but he will be beautiful to us anyway, not in looks so much, but because we love Him so dearly and because of what He did for us.
September 21st, 2008, 06:19 PM
Almost everything you have posted here has been refuted by the shroud apologetic sites I referenced above. :idunno
That a piece of cloth needs an apologetic site dumbfounds me. I wonder, who is profiting here?
the man in the shroud looks over 50 years old
Jesus' face was marrred beyond recognition, this man can clearly be seen
marks of crucifixion is conjecture
It takes more faith to believe in the shroud than disbelieve it
The same faith it takes to believe in Santa Clause
and scripture reveals the burial ritual, which is different from the shroud
and guess who cooked up and delivered the shroud?
true believer's? no
Yeah, I agree with Buzzard. It just does not jive with what scripture has told us. Christ was beaten so heinously, beyond recognition, yet this face is pretty clear.....and looks more European than Middle Eastern Jew. Know what I mean? Looks more like white anglo viking to me. :idunno
September 21st, 2008, 06:38 PM
I don't believe Jesus will have scars in Heaven, what will the OT saint believe? they had faith. we will forget the former things, we can not look at the past, we have look toward the glory of God, which Jesus commanded.
Jesus is not a Jew, yes He was born a Jew, but after He rosed again, He received His power and glory again, remember abraham, he wasn't a jew, Noah nor Moses, God used Mary to give birth to Jesus to enter the as a baby to show the world, that He came for everybody, not just for the Jew only.
September 21st, 2008, 07:12 PM
I've mostly thought of Jesus as being dark haired, with a medium sized beard that has a sort of "point" below the chin, and tan skin . . .
How far off do you think I am?
September 21st, 2008, 08:45 PM
Hey Fun ! :hat
Just thought I'd check back in with the thread to see if it still had any life left after being banished to the shed.....:lol2:lol2
Anyway, it's pretty obvious that most people will not entertain this topic in a serious fashion. :idunno
While I feel scripturally there is some room to allow for the existence of an ancient Christ related artifact, (for example the Bible – Christ’s Word) some others do not feel the same way. As was evidenced by some now removed postings (I guess they got redacted or lost during the move to the shed) some posters felt strongly, and vehemently expressed the opposite view – I’m loosely paraphrasing here - that there would be no “proofs” of Jesus for the Church Age and a few cited Matt 12:38-40 as the supporting scripture. Perhaps I’m misreading or misunderstanding that passage, but I see that as a rebuke to the Pharisees and teachers of the law to whom Christ was speaking.
I do not and will not promote or encourage others to idolize the shroud/image and certainly meant no harm nor offense to anyone by my continuing to try to elevate the debate (IMO) to a somewhat higher standard. :hug
I do not and will not "carry the water" supporting the view that the shroud depicts an image of Christ. That was never my intent by continuing to post.
I was waiting to see what others had to say that could be backed up by reasoned opinions supported by scripture, science, etc. Reasoned opinions that could not easily be, or had not already been, refuted. Hardly anyone even tried to support positions taken by providing supporting references either pro or con.
These forums are a wonderful place to grow and learn together in fellowship. It’s easy for us as a community of believers to just say that: “the Bible says it, I believe it, that settles it!” But that position and attitude will IMO drive more people away than we will draw to us.
No one IMHO rose to the occasion and absolutely put the issue to rest. And really, as I stated before, I don’t think anyone in our lifetimes will ever be able to achieve that standard. So maybe, after all, it’s best the topic now collects dust in the shed.…….
It was kinda fun though…..:wave
September 21st, 2008, 09:58 PM
I'm not really sure how Jesus looks today. However, before His resurrection I assume He looked like most Jews living in Israel at that time. Dark hair and beard, olive skin. I have always thought He may have been a bit on the tall side. The image on the Shroud of Turin is 5'10" tall. First, I don't want to get in a Shroud debate. I have read many things pro and con about it. I don't know if it is authentic and it really doesn't matter to me. However, that height is a bit odd. The average height of an adult male in the First Century A.D. was only around 5'0"-5'2". By the time of the Middle Ages, it wasn't much taller. 5'10" in the First Century would have been very tall. It would have been tall in the Middle Ages. Perhaps Jesus was this tall. He would have easily stood out in a crowd. I don't know. This is just pure speculation on my part. All I really know is that I will see Him one of these days and recognize Him when I see Him.
September 22nd, 2008, 10:18 PM
Revelation 1:13-18 (New King James Version)
New King James Version (NKJV)
13 and in the midst of the seven lampstands One like the Son of Man, clothed with a garment down to the feet and girded about the chest with a golden band. 14 His head and hair were white like wool, as white as snow, and His eyes like a flame of fire; 15 His feet were like fine brass, as if refined in a furnace, and His voice as the sound of many waters; 16 He had in His right hand seven stars, out of His mouth went a sharp two-edged sword, and His countenance was like the sun shining in its strength. 17 And when I saw Him, I fell at His feet as dead. But He laid His right hand on me, saying to me,[a] “Do not be afraid; I am the First and the Last. 18 I am He who lives, and was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore. Amen. And I have the keys of Hades and of Death
Doesn't sound hideous to me. :rolleyes
September 22nd, 2008, 10:58 PM
Another reason they might not have recognized Jesus in his resurrection body is that possibly he didn't have a beard in his resurrected body. My dad had one for years and years , shaved it off one day, and looked like a totally different person.
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