The Shroud of Turin: Is it Authentic?

[fracturedInfinity]

If Satan made the shroud image, he is responsible for bringing many to belief in the gospel. He is not that stupid. He's been around a while. You underestimate Satan's intelligence.

Satan indwelled Judas Iscariot and cause him to do what he did, which set off the events that inadvertantly caused the redemption of all mankind that place their faith in Jesus for their salvation.

I bet Satan didn't have that in his plan. :idunno

In the end, Satan is just a pawn that God uses to work his ultimate plan.

[Anddra]

If Satan made the shroud image, he is responsible for bringing many to belief in the gospel. He is not that stupid. He's been around a while. You underestimate Satan's intelligence.

The word is living. The books and the ink are not. It's unbelieveable that any person would read that passage and then take from it a belief that the book and the ink are alive. Gah!

I truly cannot believe the poor quality of reasoning you guys are showing here.

Some people keep saying that belief, arrived at by seeing evidence, is somehow invalid. That is possibly one of the most inane things I have ever heard.

Validation through eyewitness is the very foundation of the New Testament. I challenge you to show me even one article of faith in the New Testament that was not first arrived at by personal eyewitness.

As for the image-creation commandment; it was given to men long before God created the image of himself in Jesus. There's is a scripture passage that calls Jesus the image of the invisible God. Now, are you trying to tell me that Jesus would not have allowed anyone to look at or take pictures of his physical form, the image of the invisible God? Give me a break. If the Shroud image was also wrought by God, a copy of the original image, so that we too could have a look at God's created image of himself as the people who saw Jesus did, then how is that somehow a violation? Reasoning please, people!

Woody, you need to stop attacking the people of God right now.

[Woody]

Woody, you need to stop attacking the people of God right now.

Mmm...K....
It's a 'debate,' Anddra. Quit 'attacking' me! :-)

Tom - I do agree with you on that...however, my point still stands, in that God allowed (and made it happen) that his fullness be represented by an image: the phyical appearance of Jesus. That is undeniable.
So.... If he was OK with the original image, he would be OK with a photo of the original image (in theory), would he not? If not, why?

F.I. - Yes, Satan meant it (the crucifixion) for evil and God meant it for good. Point taken. But killing God's son would have obvious appeal for satan, whereas making an image of the crucified Christ replete with proper wounds, microscopic material evidence linking it to the Jerusalem area and a Jerusalem limestone tomb, and optical properties that defy explanation is a wholly different matter. I'm not sure how such a scheme could look good to a superintelligent evil genius in the cost/benefit analysis phase.

[House of Light]

Jesus was a man. In human form....god made. He was not a "lifeless image."

The shroud on the other hand is a "Lifeless Image".....and that is what the commandment is refering too. Not a person. It is an image that is lifeless......God doesn't do "lifeless"........

[Amber Lynne]

Woody, you need to stop attacking the people of God right now.

:deadhorse

[KaiafromBergen]

:popcornbag

[Amber Lynne]

:popcornbag

scooch over, I have dip...

[Woody]

Jesus was a man. In human form....god made. He was not a "lifeless image."

The shroud on the other hand is a "Lifeless Image".....and that is what the commandment is refering too. Not a person. It is an image that is lifeless......God doesn't do "lifeless"........

It's impossible for a human to create a living image... No need for God to command against it.
The fact remains that God erected an image (OK, it was alive) to represent his deity among men. Not sure why the living/dead distinction is really important here.

[Buzzardhut]

Buzzardhut - All those points have been well-refuted. A bit of Googling will quickly answer them.
all those points?
even the points in scripture made by God?

[Anddra]

Mmm...K....
It's a 'debate,' Anddra. Quit 'attacking' me! :-)

I'll rephrase...

:attarg