The Battle of Gog and Magog

[loewphat]

very interesting information, thank you for posting that.

[TheLordismytreasure]

Is Beth Togarmah modern day Georgia in part? If so isn't this a piece of the puzzle that needs to be in place.... as this will be included in Ezekiel 38 going against Israel. :scratch

[Rondaben]

my understandings on the timing lead me to think that Gog/Magog will occur just prior to the start of the tribulation. The rapture may or may not occur prior to G/M.

Here is another way to look at how the G/M could play into the antichrist. He will take credit for the supernatural intervention. It would strengthen his position if the world came to believe that HE was responsible for the intervention--it would also cause Israel to trust him in the affirmation of the Covenant.

Jews believe that the Messiah will return to rebuild the third temple--not that it will be done by man. It makes some sense that many will be decieved and view the AC as the Messiah--part of the treaty he confirms will likely allow for the rebuilding of the temple.

[ron4Jesus]

I would also like to see it and use it as a witness tool to unbelievers. I can say , see what is happening in the news ? Now lets looks in the Bible, do you see the Bible coming alive ? Yes this would make someone think hard. But you are right there are some that would never believe.

[1life]

It would be so obvious that God intervened and brought down the jets and planes coming to attack Israel, it couldnt be explained any other way to the non-believers, they would see it all with their own eyes and know that it was God! IMO How could they not drop down on their knees and start praying?
God wants the people to know Him.

[metroames]

Is Beth Togarmah modern day Georgia in part? If so isn't this a piece of the puzzle that needs to be in place.... as this will be included in Ezekiel 38 going against Israel. :scratch

Beth Togarmah I believe is Turkey. Meshech and Tubal are Turkic also, but I've read from other sources that this is the region of Georgia. This might help:

http://www.gracethrufaith.com/ikvot/in-depth-look-at-the-modern-equivalent-to-biblical-names-in-ezek.-38


An In Depth Look at the Modern Equivalent to Biblical Names in Ezek. 38
Ikvot ha'Mashiach

A Bible Study by Jack Kelley


Many of the nations we hear about in today's news existed in ancient times but under different names. By using the ancient names for the countries He prophesied about, the Lord made possible the use of scripture to interpret scripture. Much of the information below can be gained by referencing Genesis 10, the so-called Table of Nations, in a good study Bible. Learning the modern names of the nations whose founding families are listed there really helps connect Bible prophecy to current events.


Gog

I believe that Gog is a supernatural being (showing up in the battle of Ezekiel 38 and the final battle at the end of the Millennium) perhaps Satan's counter part to Michael the Arkangel. There is an obscure reference in the Septuigent translation of the Book of Amos in 7:1 to a Gog, King of the Locusts, for what that's worth. You won't find any hint of this in translations rendered into English from Hebrew. You can only get there from the Greek (Septuigent) translation. But with no connection to any physical territory or people as there is with Magog and the others named in Ezekiel 38, and with Biblical appearances so far apart in time, there's good reason to believe that Gog is a non-human character, one of Satan's own.


Magog

In contrast, there are over 130 historical references tying Magog to the ancient Scythians (they defeated Saul at the battle of Beth Shean and nailed his body to the gate of the city). The Great Wall of China was known as the "Ramparts of Magog" in ancient times and was built to protect China from Magog. Some see a striking similarity between what's known about the Scythians and the Mongol Hordes of Genghis Kahn. Magog was a son of Japeth and inhabited central Asia. His children, the Scythians, are the ancestors of today's Russian people.


Meshech and Tubal

These two were brothers of Magog and are linked to the same general area, but more likely with the Turkic people. Josephus associated Meshech with Cappodocia, home of the ancient Hittite Empire in Eastern Turkey.


Persia

This one's easier because the name changed to Iran in our memory.


Cush and Put

These two were sons of Ham and brothers to Mizraim (which means "two Egypts") and Canaan. Narrowly they are called Ethiopia (Cush) and Lybia (Put) but both were in possession of much larger territory in the past. The word Cush has a Hebrew root meaning black, and can be representative of the black races of Africa, while Put can represent the north part of the continent; Algeria, Tunisia, Morocco, Mauritania, etc. Note that all are sons of Ham and therefore not Semitic. The common denominator among African nations is religion (Islam) not race (Arab).


Gomer

Another son of Japeth and brother to Magog, Gomer inhabited the Rhine and Danube valleys, and can be associated with Eastern Europe of today.


Beth Togarmah

Beth means house in Hebrew. Togarmah was a son of Gomer. The Armenians of today call themselves the House of Togarmah. The Turks (but not the Kurds, who are the ancient Medes of Media-Persia fame) are also included.


Sheba and Dedan

These two are first mentioned as grandsons of Cush in Genesis 10:7. Later, in Genesis 25:3, we read of two grandsons of Abraham's named Sheba and Dedan as well, born to Jokshan, a son of Abraham and his 2nd wife, Keturah. It's not clear which pair of grandsons is being referenced, but commentaries none-the-less identify these two as probably representing the nations of the Arabian Penninsula, notably Saudi Arabia.

According to archaeologists W. F. Albright and Wendell Phillips, Sheba was on the southwestern edge of the Arabian Peninsula across the Red Sea from present-day Ethiopia. The Queen of Sheba visited Israel in the time of Solomon. Sheba is also known in history as Saba. The Sabeans conducted trade in spices with the other peoples of the ancient world.

Dedan was probably the habitat of the Arabs on the northern part of the Arabian Desert, which is modern-day Saudi Arabia. The ancient capital of Saudi Arabia is still called Dedan on many maps today.


Tarshish

Tarshish was a son of Javan, who settled the area of Southern Greece. There are three schools of thought where Tarshish is concerned. One view locates Tarshish to the East, accessible from Solomon's great seaport at Ezion Geber on the Red Sea. Since Javan and his family traveled north and west from Babel at the confusion of tongues, it seems unlikely. Large sea going vessels were often nicknamed "Ships of Tarshish" and more likely this is how Tarshish came to be linked with Ezion Geber, since both Solomon and Hezekiah built such vessels there. Others see this as a reference to ancient Tartessus, a seaport in southern Spain, near Gibraltar. Still others recall the sea going navies of the Phoenicians, who operated Ships of Tarshish out of nearby Cadiz and sailed as far north as England for tin, a metal used in the making of bronze and other alloys, which they mined in Cornwall. Some believe that the name Britannia is actually derived from a Phoenician word meaning "source of tin." If so, since the ships of Tarshish brought tin to the ancient world, this reference could be to Great Britain making the "lions" (KJV) or "villages"(NIV) of Tarshish Great Britain's colonies, of which the US is most prominent today. The fact that the lion is a symbol of the British Empire lends support to this view.


Summary

Again, it's instructive to view the common motivator as religion, not race. Some years ago, an editorial in the Jerusalem Post outlined the "Arab" plan as being composed of two phases. Phase one was to gain as much as possible through the inexpensive negotiating process while simultaneously weakening Israel and strengthening the Moslem coalition. Phase two, after no more negotiated gain can be made, is to go to war for the rest

[canuckmedic]

Metroames thank you for being so informative once again.

[Seated]

I am of the belief that the antichrist will have signed the peace treaty before Gog/Magog and the war is likely at the beginning of the Tribulation and will fulfill the Seal Judgments. I am however open to it being a pre-Trib, but still post-rapture event.....but right now am more convinced that it will be at the beginning of the Tribulation...

Until about a year ago, I was convinced it would occur in the first half of trib. Now I believe that it could occur after the rapture and the start of the Day of the Lord, but before the tribulation period starts. The destruction of Damascus could be part of the "setting of the hook" that provides impetus for Gog to attack Israel.

It's hard to be dogmatic about the timing. Most people (including myself) are too tempted to do "newspaper exegesis" in an attempt to nail the timing down. I do still believe that this event is what helps vault the AC to world domination. The destruction OF Russia's armies, as well as the destruction of muslim forces would have a significant impact on the world's power structure as we know it today. And let's face it. Seeing Israel (as they would think) destroying these armies in such a way might convince the rest of the world that peace is a pretty good thing to have with Israel.

[Jubilee on Earth]

At the tribulation midpoint, there will only by 3 1/2 years until Christ comes back to Earth. We are told in the book of either Ezekiel or Daniel (I'll have to check) that it will take 7 years to bury the dead after the Gog invasion.

There will not be 7 years left, if Gog/Magog is half way through the tribulation.

Good point!!! :thumb

[Jubilee on Earth]

Beth Togarmah I believe is Turkey. Meshech and Tubal are Turkic also, but I've read from other sources that this is the region of Georgia. This might help:

http://www.gracethrufaith.com/ikvot/in-depth-look-at-the-modern-equivalent-to-biblical-names-in-ezek.-38

I've understood Beth Togarmah as Armenia. And Armenia (as according to ever-faithful Wikipedia) to be this:

The Republic of Armenia is a landlocked mountainous country in Eurasia between the Black Sea and the Caspian Sea in the Southern Caucasus.

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g69/mhofbauer74/turkey-armenia.gif

So in a sense, it's both.