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September 27th, 2008, 10:06 AM
I have always been taught that these are two different wars. Gog/Magog comes right around the rapture (either before or after). Armageddon comes at the end of the tribulation when Christ returns with his raptured Christians to rescue the Children of God and defeat the antichrist and his hordes.
September 27th, 2008, 12:13 PM
My personal belief is Isiah 17 and Psalm 83 come first, and then Gog Magog war. I believe that JESUS is going to come for the Church soon, probably after Isiah 17, but not necessarly before Ezekiel 38. I could be completel wrong, but am still expecting HIM SOON.
ISAIAH 17, v.1 – 5, v 14
v. 1 The burden of Damascus. Behold, Damascus is taken away from being a city, and it shall be a ruinous heap.
v. 2. The cities of Ar-o-er are forsaken: they shall be for flocks, which shall lie down, and none shall make them afraid.
v. 3. The fortresss also shall cease from E-phra-im, and the kingdom from Damascus and the remnant of Syria: They shall be as the glory of the children of Israel, saith the LORD of hosts.
v. 7. At that day shall a man look to his Maker, and his eyes shall have respect to the Holy One of Israel.
v. 14. And behold at eveningtide trouble: and before the morning he is not. This is the portion of them that spoil us, and the lot of them that rob us.
PSALM 83, v. 4, - v. 8
v. 4. They have said, Come, and let us cut them off from being a nation; that the name of Israel may be no more in remembrance.
v. 5. For they have consulted together with one consent; they are confederate against thee.
v. 6. The tabernacles of E-dom, and the Ish-ma-el-ites; of Moab, and the Ha-gar-enes;
v. 7. Ge-gal, and Ammon, and Am-a-lek; the Phi-lis-tines with the inhabitants of Tyre.
v. 8. As-sur also is joined with them: they have holpen the children of Lot.
Then go to EZEKIEL 38 and see the end of Gog and Magog. Israel is going to win the first by it’s own power and the second their GOD is going to win for them because no one will come to their aid. Israel will not have to do a thing except set back and watch their GOD win this war for them.
Do you think that Isaiah 17, and Psalm 83 happen at the same time???
September 27th, 2008, 04:10 PM
I always viewed Gog/Magog as the half point trib conflict and Armageddon is the final showdown?
September 27th, 2008, 08:26 PM
Where's metroames??! She has a great study that compares G/MG and Armadgeddon, though I disagree with her on the timing of G/MG, but I (and she) believes they are two completely separate wars.
One primary reason is because Gog is buried by the Israelis after G/MG and the a/c and f/p, along with satan, are cast into the lake of fire after Armageddon.
For G/MG, it is a regional war with even some present-day muslim-majority countries not participating for whatever reason. During Armageddon, the entire world comes against Jerusalem, all nations.
September 27th, 2008, 08:55 PM
Understand it to be different Wars happening at different times in prophecy.
September 28th, 2008, 12:43 AM
Ya can see at youtube that Hal breaks Gog/Magog down to the precursor to Armegedon. Its a part of it. We may actually be here I think to see some of the exchanges..
September 30th, 2008, 09:38 AM
Yes, I believe Isiah 17 and Psalm 83 are speaking about the same events. As Christians, I believe we will see this war come about, but not necessary Exekiel 38. I believe most likely the Repture will happen between the two events, because from what I unerstand Israel will turn to JESUS after the second and if that happened before the rapture, they would be part of the Church, and not be left behind.
September 30th, 2008, 05:17 PM
Although I'm as anxious as everyone here to meet our Lord asap, I also like to believe that the rapture will take place between the gog/magog war and the beginning of trib. In the gog/magog war, God makes it known to the Israelis that He is here and He expects their attention. Then the Church meets up with her Savior in the clouds, and at least some Israelis realize the man they rejected 2000 years ago was their Messiah after all. There's a certain beauty in this scenario that really appeals to me.
Of course, many Israelis... and most of the rest of the world... won't look at things that way, setting the stage for the ac. JMHO
September 30th, 2008, 08:24 PM
David Jeremiah has just released an excellent book entitled 'What in the World Is Going On?" and it is excellent. He points up the differences between Gog/Magog and Armageddon. They are two quite different occurences. One difference is that in Gog/Magog, the enemies coming against Israel are all named in Ezekiel. And they are all from the north. Led by Gog.Dr. Jeremiah believes Gog/Magog happens after the treaty with Israel because of the scripture about Israel dwelling safely without walls. Then God says His 'fury will come up in His face" He causes a great earthquake,turns them in confusion against each other (friendly fire?) and the bodies are buried by Israel because they pollute the land. And Israel burns the weapons and such for fuel for 7 years. In Armageddon ALL nations come against Israel from the north , south , east and west, led by the Antichrist, and Jesus destroys them with the sharp sword of His word. The bodies are feasted on by the birds of the air, not buried. This is not the only subject studied in his book, there is lots more, with almost all the most recent events covered. Funny thing, prophecy is happening so fast, you can publish a book in August, and there's enough new material for another one by October! If you guys are interested in his book, he sends it out free, even shipping is paid, and he asks only for "a donation to the ministry in any amount'.
October 1st, 2008, 04:33 AM
I think the book of Joel possibly lays out a timeline that shows the Gog war
followed by a time of peace followed by Armageddon.
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