The Battle of Gog and Magog

[In Christ Alone]

This is by no means Jesus in Ezekiel 38-39, this is God Almighty Himself speaking. Jesus comes back at the end of the Trib. Ezekiel 38-39 is the calling of Almighty God of Israel, calling His people back to Him. It has absolutely nothing to do with the AC, or the Tribulation.
God Almighty is physically present? What? What Scriptures do you get this from? Jesus is the Holy One of Israel. At Gog/Magog He makes it known that He is the Holy One IN Israel, and the world trembles at His presence.

[twisty58]

Well... would you guys say that Israel is in a time of peace now? Cos it doesn't seem that way to me.

[In Christ Alone]

It is very clear to me that Armageddon occurs AFTER the Trib (which there is no peace during the end half of the Trib) so I can't imagine the two being the same. And, Armageddon clearly involves Christ and His Army (does this include us?). Gog/Magog doesn't seem to include Christ. In Armageddon the beast is seized along with the false prophet. Armageddon is at the end, but Gog/Magog talks about 7 years making fires of the weapons. The only thing that throws me is in Ezekial 39:7 "the nations will know that I am the Lord". If that happens before the Trib or during the Trib, why would anyone believe the Antichrist?
The destruction of the armies that gather for Armageddon is AFTER the tribulation, yes. Gog/Magog includes Christ, see above.

As for the seven years afterwards, Armageddon will be utter destruction and it will take Israel seven years to clean up the mess.

The reason why Ezekiel 39:7 throws people is because they assume that Gog/Magog is different than Armageddon. It isn't. Christ proves to the world that He is LORD, the Holy One IN Israel immediately after the tribulation when He destroys the surrounding nations that came against Jerusalem. Ezekiel describes this battle as Gog and Magog.

[In Christ Alone]

Well... would you guys say that Israel is in a time of peace now? Cos it doesn't seem that way to me.
No, they will only be in a time of peace when the peace treaty is signed. I believe that they will be guaranteed peace from Antichrist, and they will then be under intense political pressure to remove the walled barrier (http://ccun.org/News/2007/July/5%20n/Construction%20of%20the%20Illegal%20Israeli%20Apar theid,%20Land-Grab,%20Wall%20Resumed%20in%20Beit%20Jallan%20and% 20Bethlehem.htm) separating their land, cities and villages from the West Bank and Gaza. After they remove the wall, the battle of Gog and Magog (Armageddon) will commence.

[4EverHis]

It is very clear to me that Armageddon occurs AFTER the Trib (which there is no peace during the end half of the Trib) so I can't imagine the two being the same. And, Armageddon clearly involves Christ and His Army (does this include us?). Gog/Magog doesn't seem to include Christ. In Armageddon the beast is seized along with the false prophet. Armageddon is at the end, but Gog/Magog talks about 7 years making fires of the weapons. The only thing that throws me is in Ezekial 39:7 "the nations will know that I am the Lord". If that happens before the Trib or during the Trib, why would anyone believe the Antichrist?

Why don’t they believe God now when people witness miracles? Its the same thing :nod Mind you this is on a grand scale! Some will believe, some wont and that includes even the Israeli's. The purpose of Ezekiel 38-39, is for God to reveal Himself to His people. We, the Church, are gone. He is calling them back to Him. It is the reason, they will fervently rebuild the Temple and resume Sacrifice and Worship , during the first half of the Trib. We are privileged to listen to a conversation, between Almighty God and His First Born, the Apple of His Eye.
He tells them that he has "hidden His Face" from them since the time Israel went into captivity.

Ezekiel 39:23
23. And the heathen shall know that the house of Israel went into captivity for their iniquity: because they trespassed against me, therefore hid I my face from them, and gave them into the hand of their enemies: so fell they all by the sword.

He then tells them that He will never "hide His Face" from them ever again.
And He will "pour out His Spirit" upon them.

Ezekiel 39:29
29.Neither will I hide my face any more from them: for I have poured out my spirit upon the house of Israel, saith the Lord GOD.

[In Christ Alone]

The purpose of Ezekiel 38-39, is for God to reveal Himself to His people.

You just admitted it right there. What does the word Revelation mean? It literally means "The Revealing". Christ reveals Himself to Israel and the world. You say that Gog/Magog cannot be the same war from Revelation (Armageddon), but then acknowledge that the purpose of Gog/Magog is for Christ to reveal Himself to Israel, which is precisely the Revelation (revealing) of Jesus Christ, the last book of the Bible.

[4EverHis]

No, they will only be in a time of peace when the peace treaty is signed. I believe that they will be guaranteed peace from Antichrist, and they will then be under political pressure to remove the walled barrier (http://ccun.org/News/2007/July/5%20n/Construction%20of%20the%20Illegal%20Israeli%20Apar theid,%20Land-Grab,%20Wall%20Resumed%20in%20Beit%20Jallan%20and% 20Bethlehem.htm) separating them from the West Bank and Gaza.

Ezekiel was looking into the future, and sees Israel with no "defensive walls" as would have existed in his day. There are not "walls" covering the entire land of Israel, only a few. They are completely irrelevant, as is proved every day when Hamas fires rockets into Israel.

11. And thou shalt say, I will go up to the land of unwalled villages; I will go to them that are at rest, that dwell safely, all of them dwelling without walls, and having neither bars nor gates.

To Ezekiel, he does not see the entire nation surrounded by walls, and many cities or "villages" without walls. This would tell him, as was common in his day, that this land has no enemies, but is at peace. In addition, the Scripture states they are "at rest". After going through Isaiah 17/ Psalm 83 wars, Israel will indeed be "at rest", and need rest! They will have destroyed the immediate enemies surrounding them, and be left very wounded themselves. Israel also, will have absolutely nothing left to defend themselves with, as it is made very clear in Ezekiel 38, that only God Himself can save them from utter destruction.

[4EverHis]

You just admitted it right there. What does the word Revelation mean? It literally means "The Revealing". Christ reveals Himself to Israel and the world. You say that Gog/Magog cannot be the same war from Revelation (Armageddon), but then acknowledge that the purpose of Gog/Magog is for Christ to reveal Himself to Israel, which is precisely the Revelation (revealing) of Jesus Christ, the last book of the Bible.

Oh my goodness! Does the Ezekiel 38 say Jesus, no it does not! It says it is God speaking and defending Israel, not Jesus! I'll quote Biblenuggetlady, one of our MODs regarding this subject.


This is inaccurate and not the position of RR. There are two Gog events, Ez 38/39 and Revelation.
Ez38/39 is chronologically placed before the MK and after Israel is reborn as a nation, Rev. 20's Gog is at the MK; Ez 38/39 includes specific nations, Rev. 20's Gog includes nations from the 4 corners of the earth. Gog is a title, not the name of an individual, but Gog, in both instances, is driven by satan. Ez/38/39's war ends differently than Rev. 20. These are clearly two different events, two different peoples, two different outcomes as the 2nd time-Gog will never rise again and satan is bound forever.

[rescuedbyChrist]

No, they will only be in a time of peace when the peace treaty is signed. I believe that they will be guaranteed peace from Antichrist, and they will then be under intense political pressure to remove the walled barrier (http://ccun.org/News/2007/July/5%20n/Construction%20of%20the%20Illegal%20Israeli%20Apar theid,%20Land-Grab,%20Wall%20Resumed%20in%20Beit%20Jallan%20and% 20Bethlehem.htm) separating their land, cities and villages from the West Bank and Gaza. After they remove the wall, the battle of Gog and Magog (Armageddon) will commence.

This does not make sense to me with the rest of the Bible. There will be peace for Israel for 3 1/2 years and then the Antichrist takes over and that is it. Armageddon is at the end of the Trib. I just don't see how these two are the same.

[4EverHis]

[QUOTE=4EverHis;1091859]Ezekiel looked into the future at Israel, and saw no "defense" walls around the many cities (villages) of Israel. The walls of Ezekiel’s day, wouldnt stop missiles or anything else for that matter, in today’s world. In addition, a "village" in Ezekiel’s day, without walls, would indicate that they have no enemies - no need for defensive walls.
Okay, so that makes sense. But, they are to be "living securely, all of them." I'm not seeing that in Israel today. That's what they are fighting Hamas for. Right?

After Isaiah17/Psalm 83 happen, they will indeed be feeling more "secure" if you will, as their surrounding enemies are destroyed. This is a state of mind with Israel, as the below quote from Olmert demonstrates.

Jun 22, 2008 9:09 | Updated Jun 24, 2008 9:59
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"Now, for the first time since the destruction of the Second Temple, Israel is the largest concentration of Jews in the world and the overwhelming majority of Jews live in security. The era of mass aliya from countries of distress may have come to a close," Olmert declared. "