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rescuedbyChrist
February 25th, 2009, 06:00 PM
Why don’t they believe God now when people witness miracles? Its the same thing :nod Mind you this is on a grand scale! Some will believe, some wont and that includes even the Israeli's. The purpose of Ezekiel 38-39, is for God to reveal Himself to His people. We, the Church, are gone. He is calling them back to Him. It is the reason, they will fervently rebuild the Temple and resume Sacrifice and Worship , during the first half of the Trib. We are privileged to listen to a conversation, between Almighty God and His First Born, the Apple of His Eye.
He tells them that he has "hidden His Face" from them since the time Israel went into captivity.

Ezekiel 39:23
23. And the heathen shall know that the house of Israel went into captivity for their iniquity: because they trespassed against me, therefore hid I my face from them, and gave them into the hand of their enemies: so fell they all by the sword.

He then tells them that He will never "hide His Face" from them ever again.
And He will "pour out His Spirit" upon them.

Ezekiel 39:29
29.Neither will I hide my face any more from them: for I have poured out my spirit upon the house of Israel, saith the Lord GOD.

That verse I quoted says all nations will KNOW that I am Lord. That's what He would say when He punished Israel. He would do things so they would know. Now He is talking about all nations knowing. I still believe they are two different battles, but I'm just confused with Him revealing Himself at that time.
In Christ Alone
February 25th, 2009, 06:00 PM
Oh my goodness! Does the Ezekiel 38 say Jesus, no it does not! It says it is God speaking and defending Israel, not Jesus! I'll quote Biblenuggetlady, one of our MODs regarding this subject.
You're mixing up the wars. Gog is a powerful leader and Magog are the people that are with him. I am not saying that Gog and Magog of revelation is the same Gog and Magog of Ezekiel. However, the Gog and Magog war of Ezekiel is the same as the battle of Armageddon in Revelation.

Second, Ezekiel 38 doesn't have to say "Jesus" specifically. It says the Holy One In Israel. Who is the Holy One In Israel? This title is for none other than Christ Jesus. There are many Old Testament references to Christ, and this is one of them. He is physically present, and the earth shakes at His presence.
4EverHis
February 25th, 2009, 06:04 PM
You're mixing up the wars. Gog is a powerful leader and Magog are the people that are with him. I am not saying that Gog and Magog of revelation is the same Gog and Magog of Ezekiel. However, the Gog and Magog war of Ezekiel is the same as the battle of Armageddon in Revelation.

Second, Ezekiel 38 doesn't have to say "Jesus" specifically. It says the Holy One In Israel. Who is the Holy One In Israel? This title is for none other than Christ Jesus. There are many Old Testament references to Christ, and this is one of them. He is physically present, and the earth shakes at His presence.

Ok, again I will quote the position of the RR board according to Biblenuggetlady one of the MODS
"Thus saith the Lord GOD" the same God who wrote all of the Book of Ezekiel.


This is inaccurate and not the position of RR. There are two Gog events, Ez 38/39 and Revelation.
Ez38/39 is chronologically placed before the MK and after Israel is reborn as a nation, Rev. 20's Gog is at the MK; Ez 38/39 includes specific nations, Rev. 20's Gog includes nations from the 4 corners of the earth. Gog is a title, not the name of an individual, but Gog, in both instances, is driven by satan. Ez/38/39's war ends differently than Rev. 20. These are clearly two different events, two different peoples, two different outcomes as the 2nd time-Gog will never rise again and satan is bound forever.
In Christ Alone
February 25th, 2009, 06:07 PM
This does not make sense to me with the rest of the Bible. There will be peace for Israel for 3 1/2 years and then the Antichrist takes over and that is it. Armageddon is at the end of the Trib. I just don't see how these two are the same.
Why do we assume that Armageddon will be a quick war? Armageddon could possibly last as long as the full 3 1/2 years of the Great Tribulation - a drawn out war during which Antichrist is able to gather more nations to fight with him, until Christ finally gathers them all up to the valley and says enough is enough and turns the sun black, turns the moon red and causes the stars to withdraw their shining just before He destroys the armies of Antichrist.
In Christ Alone
February 25th, 2009, 06:09 PM
That verse I quoted says all nations will KNOW that I am Lord. That's what He would say when He punished Israel. He would do things so they would know. Now He is talking about all nations knowing. I still believe they are two different battles, but I'm just confused with Him revealing Himself at that time.
Gog/Magog is a separate description of the same event - Armageddon. Dave Hunt explains this a bit on the following radio interview (http://www.thebereancall.org/audio/2006/5006a.mp3).
In Christ Alone
February 25th, 2009, 06:15 PM
Ok, again I will quote the position of the RR board according to Biblenuggetlady one of the MODS
"Thus saith the Lord GOD" the same God who wrote all of the Book of Ezekiel.
I don't understand what you're trying to say.
2ndcoming
February 25th, 2009, 06:33 PM
They are two separate wars.This is what I think will happen.Psalm 83 ,then the destrution of Damascus,rapture,AC being revealed,and the Gog/Magog war will follow.
Armageddon will be at the end of the tribulation.
Regarding the peace treaty,I have posted a comment under "the rapture and the peace treaty" thread.It may not necessarily be the seven years that we always think.
In Christ Alone
February 25th, 2009, 06:37 PM
They are two separate wars.This is what I think will happen.Psalm 83 ,then the destrution of Damascus,rapture,AC being revealed,and the Gog/Magog war will follow.
Armageddon will be at the end of the tribulation.
Regarding the peace treaty,I have posted a comment under "the rapture and the peace treaty" thread.It may not necessarily be the seven years that we always think.
What do you think of the reasons posted here (http://www.rr-bb.com/showpost.php?p=1091747&postcount=32) that they are the same war?

I am strongly persuaded that Gog/Magog and Armageddon are the same war, just a different description. I also suspect that the battle we call Armageddon could begin as early as the mid point of the tribulation and last for nearly all of the 3 1/2 years of the Great Tribulation.
rescuedbyChrist
February 25th, 2009, 06:52 PM
Gog/Magog is a separate description of the same event - Armageddon. Dave Hunt explains this a bit on the following radio interview (http://www.thebereancall.org/audio/2006/5006a.mp3).

I have to respectfully disagree. Just because one person believes it, doesn't mean it is true. There seem to be too many differences. They just don't add up to be the same.
rescuedbyChrist
February 25th, 2009, 06:56 PM
Why do we assume that Armageddon will be a quick war? Armageddon could possibly last as long as the full 3 1/2 years of the Great Tribulation - a drawn out war during which Antichrist is able to gather more nations to fight with him, until Christ finally gathers them all up to the valley and says enough is enough and turns the sun black, turns the moon red and causes the stars to withdraw their shining just before He destroys the armies of Antichrist.

I don't see anything that says it will last that long, so I assume it won't. Jesus will be able to defeat them in an instant so why tarry? Also, who would the Antichrist be fighting until Jesus returns? Makes no sense to me. This battle is to take the AC out and kill his followers.