The Battle of Gog and Magog

[4EverHis]

In my opinion, its not so much about "prophecies pertaining to Israel", for the reasons stated above.
For me, its more about God not revealing Himself via "epic" "Old Testament" type of miracles. It seems that during the Age of Grace, we must rely primarily on faith. It doesn't seem that we get to see these types of "obvious" miracles which are obviously and unequivocally by God.
My point was (and admittedly 100% speculation), we haven't seen anything like this in 2,000 years of the Church Age - and I would be quite surprised if suddenly, we're part of this kind of Miracle. Ezek 39 makes it VERY clear that God will have intervened - and this point won't be under dispute.
It DOES however seem consistent with how God has dealt with the Nation of Israel over the ages.
Thats all - again, only speculation.

Speculation unnecessary Castle :) God does make it very clear that this is a momentous moment in time, where He turns His attention back to His First Born, the Apple of His Eye. We are privileged to His conversation with Israel. He tells them that up until this moment, He has "hid His Face" from them, and explains the history as to why He has:
Ezekiel 39:23-24
23. And the heathen shall know that the house of Israel went into captivity for their iniquity: because they trespassed against me, therefore hid I my face from them, and gave them into the hand of their enemies: so fell they all by the sword.
24. According to their uncleanness and according to their transgressions have I done unto them, and hid my face from them.

He tells us, in the final verse, that from that moment forward, He will "hide His Face no more". Never again will He hide His Face from them, and He has poured out His Spirit upon them:

Ezekiel 39:29
29.Neither will I hide my face any more from them: for I have poured out my spirit upon the house of Israel, saith the Lord GOD.

[Castle]

Speculation unnecessary Castle :) God does make it very clear that this is a momentous moment in time, where He turns His attention back to His First Born, the Apple of His Eye. We are privileged to His conversation with Israel. He tells them that up until this moment, He has "hid His Face" from them, and explains the history as to why He has:
Ezekiel 39:23-24
23. And the heathen shall know that the house of Israel went into captivity for their iniquity: because they trespassed against me, therefore hid I my face from them, and gave them into the hand of their enemies: so fell they all by the sword.
24. According to their uncleanness and according to their transgressions have I done unto them, and hid my face from them.

He tells us, in the final verse, that from that moment forward, He will "hide His Face no more". Never again will He hide His Face from them, and He has poured out His Spirit upon them:

Ezekiel 39:29
29.Neither will I hide my face any more from them: for I have poured out my spirit upon the house of Israel, saith the Lord GOD.

Yep - thats a big part of it too. This aspect of dealing with the Nation of Israel (revealing Himself in this manner - to the Nation of Israel) would seem inconsistent with the Church Age, and consistent with that period of time when the Israel has become the focus, not the Church.

Thats why this is so interesting exciting. Either we'll be here to witness these events, and we'll have an opportunity to witness like never before....or

we'll have been raptured by that time(IMO this is more likely based on the discussion) by that time, and obviously thats a good thing too :yeah

The fact that it seems to be rapidly approaching serves to remind us of how close we are to being in the presence of the Lord.

[4EverHis]

Yep - thats a big part of it too. This aspect of dealing with the Nation of Israel (revealing Himself in this manner - to the Nation of Israel) would seem inconsistent with the Church Age, and consistent with that period of time when the Israel has become the focus, not the Church.
Thats why this is so interesting exciting. Either we'll be here to witness these events, and we'll have an opportunity to witness like never before....or
we'll have been raptured by that time(IMO this is more likely based on the discussion) by that time, and obviously thats a good thing too :yeah
The fact that it seems to be rapidly approaching serves to remind us of how close we are to being in the presence of the Lord.

:nod And before all time, God knew that each of us would be born into this time! We have the privilege to Witness for our Lord in these days. A time like no other. That our previous Brothers and Sisters have waited for, centuries ago ! It is amazing! God knowing that we were born into this time, has the confidence in us to finish the race, so as to speak. What an awesome privilege and Blessing ! :yeah

[waiting1]

Proof Gog-Magog and Armeggedon is different.

1/6 live at the end of Gog-Magog battle:

Ezekiel 39:2 And I will turn thee back, and leave but the sixth part of thee, and will cause thee to come up from the north parts, and will bring thee upon the mountains of Israel:

Also it specifies who comes to this battle:

Ezekiel 38:3-6 And say, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I am against thee, O Gog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal: And I will turn thee back, and put hooks into thy jaws, and I will bring thee forth, and all thine army, horses and horsemen, all of them clothed with all sorts of armour, even a great company with bucklers and shields, all of them handling swords: Persia, Ethiopia, and Libya with them; all of them with shield and helmet: Gomer, and all his bands; the house of Togarmah of the north quarters, and all his bands: and many people with thee.

Armeggedon has no survivors and has the whole world's armies there:

Revelation 16:13-14 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet. For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
Revelation 19:19-21 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army. And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone. And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.

The Ezekial battle turns Israel's heart back to God, when it appears against all odds

they are doomed and the USA is either unable to help ( Rapture and country in chaos

with rioting, looting, and overloaded emergency services? ) or unwilling, then they see

God miraculously intervene to cause them to turn on each other, and also some actions

that seem like an invisible hand is destroying things. Thn they realize beyond a shadow

of a doubt God is fighting for them. The latter battle is to bring all the wicked nations

armies to be punished by God for thier actions against Israel and revenge for shedding

the blood of the Jews and the Saints. The Word Jesus says will result in:

Zechariah 14:12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the LORD will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

and the fowls of the Earth shall feast and Israel and the Saints shall rejoice!

[CID03]

Will the Battle of Gog and Magog take place before or after the rapture of the church? :idunno

[Iruntherace4Him]

Everything looks to be lining up in place for that event and we can see the players are on the field . Very exciting times to be living in.

[rjmamula]

The common belief is that there are 2 Gog and Magog wars, that the one in Ezekiel and the one in Revelation are two separate wars. The Former occurs either in the tribulation or just before it and the latter occurs at the end of the 1000 years. The rapture could happen before or after the first one.

[Biblenuggetlady]

Gog-Magog could happen before the rapture, but many believe the rapture will be before or near the same timing as God reveals Himself to Israel once again by saving them and therefore is focusing on Israel, instead of the Church-different dispensations. Since there are no signs for the Rapture, we can't be dogmatic on the timing other than to know it happens anytime up to the signing of the covenant with a/c and Israel.

Gog-Magog is different than Armageddon and the final Gog battle after the 1000 year reign is different also. I'll look for the charts that show the differences for each. :thumb

Here is a good read on the sequence of pre-trib events:

http://www.ariel.org/mbs038e.htm

[LoudRam]

It takes 7 years to bury the dead, so...

...it must be a bureaucrat ran government job?

[Reason&Hope]

(Originally Posted by coriander)
It takes 7 years to bury the dead, so...

...it must be a bureaucrat ran government job?



:lol2