The Battle of Gog and Magog

[JIL]

I'm no scholar, just trying to learn as we all are, but I would recommend reading and studying Ezekiel 38 and 39. If it is Gog/magog it will not just be Iran, it will also be some part or all of Russia, Turkey, a couple other middle eastern provinces and even ethopia from what I remember off the top of my head. God will turn those armies or they weapons away supernaturally so Israel and all the world will know He is God.

Best I can do without my bible in front of me.

Best thing you can do imo, is read the Word, ask God for understanding and then check with others you respect for different views/opinions etc.

Im sure someone more knowledgable than myself will answer shortly. :)

God Bless.

Just remember that is Cyrus Scofield's interpretation(back in 1909) of the Magog war. Nobody actually knows who Magog is like some like to imply.

[UNA_Lion]

Let's take a look at Ezekiel 38 in the NIV (please disregard any automatically-generated links):


Ezekiel 38
1 The word of the LORD came to me: 2 "Son of man, set your face against Gog, of the land of Magog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal; prophesy against him 3 and say: 'This is what the Sovereign LORD says: I am against you, O Gog, chief prince of Meshech and Tubal. 4 I will turn you around, put hooks in your jaws and bring you out with your whole army—your horses, your horsemen fully armed, and a great horde with large and small shields, all of them brandishing their swords. 5 Persia, Cush and Put will be with them, all with shields and helmets, 6 also Gomer with all its troops, and Beth Togarmah from the far north with all its troops—the many nations with you.

7 " 'Get ready; be prepared, you and all the hordes gathered about you, and take command of them. 8 After many days you will be called to arms. In future years you will invade a land that has recovered from war, whose people were gathered from many nations to the mountains of Israel, which had long been desolate. They had been brought out from the nations, and now all of them live in safety. 9 You and all your troops and the many nations with you will go up, advancing like a storm; you will be like a cloud covering the land.

10 " 'This is what the Sovereign LORD says: On that day thoughts will come into your mind and you will devise an evil scheme. 11 You will say, "I will invade a land of unwalled villages; I will attack a peaceful and unsuspecting people—all of them living without walls and without gates and bars. 12 I will plunder and loot and turn my hand against the resettled ruins and the people gathered from the nations, rich in livestock and goods, living at the center of the land." 13 Sheba and Dedan and the merchants of Tarshish and all her villages will say to you, "Have you come to plunder? Have you gathered your hordes to loot, to carry off silver and gold, to take away livestock and goods and to seize much plunder?" '

14 "Therefore, son of man, prophesy and say to Gog: 'This is what the Sovereign LORD says: In that day, when my people Israel are living in safety, will you not take notice of it? 15 You will come from your place in the far north, you and many nations with you, all of them riding on horses, a great horde, a mighty army. 16 You will advance against my people Israel like a cloud that covers the land. In days to come, O Gog, I will bring you against my land, so that the nations may know me when I show myself holy through you before their eyes.

17 " 'This is what the Sovereign LORD says: Are you not the one I spoke of in former days by my servants the prophets of Israel? At that time they prophesied for years that I would bring you against them. 18 This is what will happen in that day: When Gog attacks the land of Israel, my hot anger will be aroused, declares the Sovereign LORD. 19 In my zeal and fiery wrath I declare that at that time there shall be a great earthquake in the land of Israel. 20 The fish of the sea, the birds of the air, the beasts of the field, every creature that moves along the ground, and all the people on the face of the earth will tremble at my presence. The mountains will be overturned, the cliffs will crumble and every wall will fall to the ground. 21 I will summon a sword against Gog on all my mountains, declares the Sovereign LORD. Every man's sword will be against his brother. 22 I will execute judgment upon him with plague and bloodshed; I will pour down torrents of rain, hailstones and burning sulfur on him and on his troops and on the many nations with him. 23 And so I will show my greatness and my holiness, and I will make myself known in the sight of many nations. Then they will know that I am the LORD.'

I highlighted some areas of interest, which lead me to believe this battle will take place only after a complete and global economic collapse and a change in world alliances. Turkey is currently allied with the US and has no real interest in an attack on Israel - certainly not with ground forces; nor does Russia.

- If you believe much of prophesy to be literal, then one must assume that the invading armies will use horses, horsemen, swords and shields against Israel - much would have to take place to make such necessary or feasible

- From what I can see from my own foxhole, Israel does not appear to live in safety

- The prophesy bespeaks a peaceful and unsuspecting people - hardly befitting to a modern Israel

For those reasons, I believe this particular conflict is a ways off, unless a great deal changes very drastically and very quickly. If we reach the point wherein invaders would attack with horses, horsemen, swords and shields, you can be fairly certain that the United States would not be a viable entity, much less a superpower.

[willow]

The short answer is that I believe there will be a pre-Gog/Magog War between Israel and her immediate neighbors (Syria, Jordan, Lebanon, West Bank, Gaza), because these countries are not part of the Gog/Magog War, so I believe they will be neutralized first. This could be the result of a pre-emptive strike on Iran, if Iran goes through it's proxy Hezbollah to retaliate.

I am watching for Jordan to possibly be overthrown as the current monarchy is friendly to Israel, yet in scripture they appear to be the agressor that forms the confederation against Israel in the pre-Gog/Magog War.

For the biblical study on why I believe this, here is the long answer :aha :

http://www.rr-bb.com/showthread.php?t=40429

Thanks for the "short answers" I LOVE short answers from smart people. The long answers seen to confuse me....:aha

[Butterflies]

Do you think Something must happen to the world's fuel source ? Because "all of them riding horses" just seems odd unless the the world is in turmoil over the fuel supply being stopped of some sort.

[UNA_Lion]

Do you think Something must happen to the world's fuel source ? Because "all of them riding horses" just seems odd unless the the world is in turmoil over the fuel supply being stopped of some sort.

That's my thought. We're much more reliant on oil, as a planet, than we like to think. Even if we look at nuclear power, how does nuclear fuel get to those plants? Wheeled vehicles, trains, the vast majority of ships, and pretty much every other form of transportation you can think of all burn petroleum. Even if nuclear plants get their fuel, who services the power lines? Again, we depend on petroleum-burning conveyance. If oil becomes too expensive or scarce, we as a modern society are done.

[heybales219]

Let's take a look at Ezekiel 38 in the NIV (please disregard any automatically-generated links):



I highlighted some areas of interest, which lead me to believe this battle will take place only after a complete and global economic collapse and a change in world alliances. Turkey is currently allied with the US and has no real interest in an attack on Israel - certainly not with ground forces; nor does Russia.

- If you believe much of prophesy to be literal, then one must assume that the invading armies will use horses, horsemen, swords and shields against Israel - much would have to take place to make such necessary or feasible

- From what I can see from my own foxhole, Israel does not appear to live in safety

- The prophesy bespeaks a peaceful and unsuspecting people - hardly befitting to a modern Israel

For those reasons, I believe this particular conflict is a ways off, unless a great deal changes very drastically and very quickly. If we reach the point wherein invaders would attack with horses, horsemen, swords and shields, you can be fairly certain that the United States would not be a viable entity, much less a superpower.
I would tend to agree. I've heard a theory of a worldwide blackout, possibly caused by the rapture (EMP-type blackout) which would mean that nations would have to use horses, etc. instead of the modern weaponry which will have been rendered useless. :idunno

[kyol122]

Try this link to harvest family fellowship (Church in Reno, NV)...and then click on "Magog Invasion Update". The first half is a re-hash about the lunar and solar eclipses that are due to happen in the next few years (from Pastor Biltz), but the second half of his program describes who the countries are and some other interesting theories.

http://harvestreno.org/messages.asp

[acceptedintheBeloved]

I find it interesting that after the Gog-Magog War they "burn the weapons for seven years."
Already they are making weapons out of something called Lignostone (which is super-compressed wood, and which is highly burnable.)
Now, it's curious to me why they would be making such weapons at this point in time. :thinking Very interesting...

(And I do believe that the rapture is concurrent with the Gog-Magog War. JMHO.)

[Jennifleur]

Speaking of EMP, however, I just saw this on Yahoo, and it caught my attention. It will be quite helpful in regards to saving us $$$ at the pump, but not so helpful in the case of an EMP attack...

Carmakers' Plug-in Plans
http://finance.yahoo.com/family-home/article/105353/Carmakers'-Plug-in-Plans

Plans to make cars that run entirely on electricity....

[kcaskew]

Interesting article. I work for an automotive parts company (Aisin) mfg. I havent been there since March du to surgery but. since that time, business went thud. Alot of people sent home early, no pay, no occurance. It really got bad fast. No Gm, Lexus, Toyota products selling. I see these new lines of vehicles & think all the things we make will be abandoned & new parts to replace them. How will they sell? Who knows. We can see Hybrids are not very affordable even now.