The Battle of Gog and Magog

[carlos.c304]

Do you think Something must happen to the world's fuel source ? Because "all of them riding horses" just seems odd unless the the world is in turmoil over the fuel supply being stopped of some sort.

Possibly to avoid EMP ? Electromagnetic pulse weapon have actually been developed now. Basically what it does is kill all electricity. Long story short, without power todays modern weapons become useless. Planes hit with an emp would just drop out of the air, tanks become oversized paper weights. So an armed cavalry wouldnt be so far-fetched. Also keep in mind that Russia sports the largest mounted cavalry in the world. Likewise, if Russia hit Israel with emp, they would be almost defenceless against a horde of troops on horses from the invading countries, making it almost impossible for anyone but God to save Israel.

[JIL]

Zelda wrote:
Zelda, you made my day! It makes sense because it is true to the Biblical text, and that is the only measure of "what makes sense". The problem that so many folks have is that they will read a book or listen to a preacher to form their opinions without actually studying the text for themselves. The Hebrew text speaks for itself, says what it means, and means what it says. It is its very own best interpreter. Thanks again for the nice comment!!

Bingo! Too many preachers through the years preaching the beliefs of Cyrus Scofield and not the Bible itself.

[Chris]

It is my understanding that Ezekiel is written describing things in chronological order, so Ezekiel 36-37 are describing Israel's physical re-establishment, then Ezekiel 38-39 are describing Israel's spiritual awakening (in part due to the Gog-Magog War and God's supernatural intervention), and then Ezekiel 40-48 are describing the Millennial Temple which, of course, would follow. :hat

Agreed. It has to happen chronologically before the MK starts. I just think the best position that fits all we know about it is that it is a pre-trib event. JMHO. :)

[metroames]

We've had many discussions here about betach in the past. Most of the popular view, majority as you described it, place the event pre-trib. It is the event that spritually awakens the people to God again. It will help make the building of the 3rd Temple a reality on the ground. Something major needs to happen to allow the 3rd Temple as the Islamists and terrorists won't let it happen. And that is God's supernatural intervention to save Israel in Ezekiel 38-39. JMHO. :)

I am of the belief that Gog/Magog is at the beginning of the Tribulation, because of the covenant which many believe to be a peace treaty, based on the constant push for one depicted at the tops of the news over the past several decades and also because I see parallels to the Seal Judgments.

Anyway, to my point here....I find it interesting that a reason given for Gog/Magog being pretrib is that the Islamists won't let the Temple be rebuilt. Of course the Islamists don't want Israel to build a Temple, but if Israel neutralizes it's immediate neighbors and the rest of the world pushes for the peace treaty, that might include provisions for a Temple, then that could be a big reason for the Islamic nations to go against Israel in Gog/Magog after the covenant is signed. Russia will be sucked in because of their alliances, but won't dig their heals in because of the "spoil", whatever it may be.

Remember, the Temple doesn't need to be built before the Tribulation begins, but just needs to be standing by the middle of the Tribulation.

[Chris]

I am of the belief that Gog/Magog is at the beginning of the Tribulation, because of the covenant which many believe to be a peace treaty, based on the constant push for one depicted at the tops of the news over the past several decades and also because I see parallels to the Seal Judgments.

I'm of the view that the great "false peace" will probably be right before the 70th week starts. Frutchenbaum makes a good case for this as the verses that say when they say peace and safety, sudden destruction comes upon them. I believe this talks about the time leading right up to the start of the 70th week. He deals with it in his sequence of pretirbulational events if you are interested in the link?


Anyway, to my point here....I find it interesting that a reason given for Gog/Magog being pretrib is that the Islamists won't let the Temple be rebuilt. Of course the Islamists don't want Israel to build a Temple, but if Israel neutralizes it's immediate neighbors and the rest of the world pushes for the peace treaty, that might include provisions for a Temple, then that could be a big reason for the Islamic nations to go against Israel in Gog/Magog after the covenant is signed. Russia will be sucked in because of their alliances, but won't dig their heals in because of the "spoil", whatever it may be.

If Israel neutralizes their enemies and/or destroys them they won't need a peace agreement. I think if Isaiah 17 and/or Pslam 83 occurs soon, it will lead to the fury and retaliation of the moslem hordes. There might be some peace immediately after defeating the Pallys, Syria, and etc. but I think it will be short lived as the moslems comes to strike back in Ezekiel 38-39. JMHO.

Ezekiel 38-39 spiritually awakens the Israelis and they will probably want to return to OT style worship as a result of Ezekiel 38-39. It could be that the AC rises in the power vacuum after Ezekiel 38-39 (and after the rapture if it happens near there) and makes a covenant for 7 years that allows the 3rd Temple to be built. I don't know. We are not privy to the details God didn't give them all to us. I do believe that the Gog/Magog war will be before the 70th week though. JMHO.


Remember, the Temple doesn't need to be built before the Tribulation begins, but just needs to be standing by the middle of the Tribulation.

True. And there is nothing suggesting that it can't be started before the 70th week either. The Jews are ready now to build it. But I don't really have a preference view of when the 3rd temple is built. I just outlined my view above that says it could be part of the 7 year covenant meaning it could be built at the beginning of the 70th week. JMHO.

[metroames]

I'm of the view that the great "false peace" will probably be right before the 70th week starts. Frutchenbaum makes a good case for this as the verses that say when they say peace and safety, sudden destruction comes upon them. I believe this talks about the time leading right up to the start of the 70th week. He deals with it in his sequence of pretirbulational events if you are interested in the link?


Sure, what's the link? :)

[Chris]

Sure, what's the link? :)

He goes into things a little more indepth in his book FOTM. but this gives an outline. :)

http://www.ariel.org/mbs038e.htm

[ATYCLB]

More:

Events Leading up to the Tribulation
by Arnold Fruchtenbaum
http://www.prophecytube.com/audio/fruchtenbaum2.html

[Drsone]

Just remember that is Cyrus Scofield's interpretation(back in 1909) of the Magog war. Nobody actually knows who Magog is like some like to imply.

This is interesting to know. I have not studied what christian scholars have said about the bible the past 3 years, since I became a christian. I do not want any religious views or any of man's ideas clouding what the word of God says. Since I surrendered myself to God I've just read the bible and asked for Him to help me understand and apply it.

Maybe God told me Cyrus the same things I guess.

[Chris]

Just remember that is Cyrus Scofield's interpretation(back in 1909) of the Magog war. Nobody actually knows who Magog is like some like to imply.

I'd disagree. There are lots of references to Russia being Magog. Jack Kelley mentioned that there were over 130. Chuck Missler names a few as well. Magog popularly refers to Russia and the former Soviet Union.