The Battle of Gog and Magog

[james46888]

Doesn't necessarily have to be jews that burn the weapons.

I think Ezekiel 39:10 may speak against that.

[JFrancisco]

I think Ezekiel 39:10 may speak against that.

It says those victimized will rob the victimizers. Not everyone in or from Israel is of Israel. The faithful remnant does not have to be involved in the burning of the weapons. This is the response to the op. Those that dwell in the cities will be responsible for the burning of weapons and the spoils of war. Once the faithful remnant evactuate the burning will be continued by those that remain in the cities.

Therefore I still believe gog/magog will occur right before the trib. The ac's peace treaty might be in response to gog and magog.

[Maywood]

1- ME War and Gog/Magog
2- 3 1/2 Years
3- Tribulation Starts
4- Burning Complete Just in Time for Abomination of Desolation.

1- ME War and Gog/Magog
2- 3 1/2 Years (Gog/Magog war - this starts Tribulation)
3- Great Tribulation Starts
4- Burning Complete Just in Time for Abomination of Desolation.

[Jlutz]

I think were making a lot of assumptions about the time frame from the start of Gog/Magog to the start of the Trib. Nothing ever said how long or short that time would be.

[Steve53]

So, the leftovers of Gog/Magog will be burned for seven years.

I've read, then, that the timeline looks something like this...

1- ME War and Gog/Magog
2- 3 1/2 Years
3- Tribulation Starts
4- Burning Complete Just in Time for Abomination of Desolation

Which puts the return of Christ to earth always at least 10 1/2 years out. :panic What does everyone else think of this, and what of the timing of the rapture?

Personally, I have one qualm in mind right now: If the ME War and Gog/Magog pass, then we will be able to accurately look 10 or so years ahead and know the exact general timeframe of the Second Coming, and we will know the timeframe of the tribulation beginning, etc. It gives too much away. God likes surprises, this I know.


Putting hard schedules into the timeline isn't always beneficial.

:thumb...And is against the rules - As is date framing.

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[JFrancisco]

I think were making a lot of assumptions about the time frame from the start of Gog/Magog to the start of the Trib. Nothing ever said how long or short that time would be.

No assumptions.

7 years of burning = Ezekiel 39:9
God returns His attention from church to Israel= Ezekiel 38:16
Gog and Antichrist two different beings = Ezekiel 39:11 Revelation 19:20
Tribulation (last week) begins with signing of covenant between Israel and antichrist = daniel 9:27
The majority of Israel will accept faithful remnant will reject = daniel 9:27
The faithful remnant will flee to petra = a whole thread with all appropriate verses are there.

So this is what scripture tells us.

Magog war will happen in the last days. Gog and the antichrist are different people so we know that this is not the battle of armageddon. We also know the difference in this campaign from the campaign of the antichrist midway through the tribulation (daniel 11). So this war does not happen at the end or middle of the tribulation. At the end of this war God will once again make Himself known to Israel.

We know God deals seperatly with the church and Israel. Gog does not start the tribulation because the start of the final week begins with the signing of the peace treaty with the antichrist (peace treaty Isaiah 28). So if Gog is not in the beginning middle or end of the tribulation it must happen before.

The op's question about how the need for 7 years for the burning of weapons is not interrupted by antichrist. In ezekiel we are told that the burning of weapons is done by those who dwell in the cities of Israel. The faithful remnant will flee to what we know as southern jordan those that remain continue to burn weapons until the 7 years is complete.

So placing the war of gog/magog 7 years prior to the mid point of the tribulation is unecassary.

Could the war happen 50000000 years before the tribulation sure. No reason to speculate on the exact date but this presents many problems. The time between the end of Gog war and tribulation would be a new dispensation with a new focus that is not given in scripture. The church isn't the focus after gog war, Israel is, yet if it is not the tribulation then the time of correction hasn't begun. God tells us through scripture the purpose of the regathring of unbeliving Israel was to prepare them to go through the fire. So it is, imho, unbiblical to support that there will be a time where God's attention turns from the church to Israel for any other purpose than to finish the final week. I hope this isn't too cluttered an explanation.

Basically, if the purpose of the regathering of Israel in unbelief is to make them pass through the fire (the trib), the minute God turns His attention from the church to Israel that process begins. That is why I believe that the peace treaty from the antichrist will be a result of Gog war. and the minute the church is raptured the tribulation begins.

[BPN03]

JFrancisco,

Great summary. That is how I've always pictured it too. It seems to fit the Bible and geopolitical constraints.

[Kevin]

A couple of thoughts are curious to me:

1. "burning weapons". OK, I can see maybe burning diesel fuel from tanks or something - but is there other parts of modern weapons that could be burned for fuel/heat?

2. There is no reason that I know of that the burning of these weapons needs to be completed either before the mid-point or before Jesus returns. Those who flee to Petra (or wherever) could bring fuel with them, or combustion for cooking could continue for those on earth after Jesus returns. No?

What think ye?

[JFrancisco]

A couple of thoughts are curious to me:

1. "burning weapons". OK, I can see maybe burning diesel fuel from tanks or something - but is there other parts of modern weapons that could be burned for fuel/heat?

2. There is no reason that I know of that the burning of these weapons needs to be completed either before the mid-point or before Jesus returns. Those who flee to Petra (or wherever) could bring fuel with them, or combustion for cooking could continue for those on earth after Jesus returns. No?

What think ye?

I think that the people will flee to petra with only what they can carry. God provides for them during the 3.5 years. The people that stay behind continue to burn the fuel. Those that dwell in the cities. I belive the task must be finished before Christ establishes His millenial kingdom. The conditions of the millenial reign would make it unecassary to burn these weapons. Also remember that the antichrist sets up camp in this area after the midway point, and his army could also continue with the burning.

[james46888]

It says those victimized will rob the victimizers. Not everyone in or from Israel is of Israel. The faithful remnant does not have to be involved in the burning of the weapons. This is the response to the op. Those that dwell in the cities will be responsible for the burning of weapons and the spoils of war. Once the faithful remnant evactuate the burning will be continued by those that remain in the cities.

True that not everyone in Israel is Jewish, but the vast majority are, and the remnant that flee are obviously a minority of the nation, with unbelieving Jews left behind to die (as in Zechariah 13:8-9). Also, Ezekiel 39:10 which I cited cannot be separated from the following verses:


Ezek 38:11: and thou shalt say, I will go up to the land of unwalled villages; I will go to them that are at rest, that dwell securely, all of them dwelling without walls, and having neither bars nor gates;

12 to take the spoil and to take the prey; to turn thy hand against the waste places that are now inhabited, and against the people that are gathered out of the nations, that have gotten cattle and goods, that dwell in the middle of the earth.

13 Sheba, and Dedan, and the merchants of Tarshish, with all the young lions thereof, shall say unto thee, Art thou come to take the spoil? hast thou assembled thy company to take the prey? to carry away silver and gold, to take away cattle and goods, to take great spoil?

14 Therefore, son of man, prophesy, and say unto Gog, Thus saith the Lord Jehovah: In that day when my people Israel dwelleth securely, shalt thou not know it?

15 And thou shalt come from thy place out of the uttermost parts of the north, thou, and many peoples with thee, all of them riding upon horses, a great company and a mighty army;

16 and thou shalt come up against my people Israel, as a cloud to cover the land: it shall come to pass in the latter days, that I will bring thee against my land, that the nations may know me, when I shall be sanctified in thee, O Gog, before their eyes."


Those they came to spoil and steal from, as far as I can tell, were mainly (or even completely) Jews here.