The Battle of Gog and Magog

[LovemyLord]

...one other thing...(got me started now I can't stop. :) )

Something interesting I want to point out. Many times in Scripture you will see this phrase in reference to the Lord: "The Holy One OF Israel". At least 40 times. But in Ezekiel 39:7, the phrase is changed ever so slightly, and this is the only place you will find this exact wording of it. "Holy One IN Israel".

I think that is interesting and may give us another clue as to the time frame of this particular battle.

[jpseef10]

Thanks for moving my thread. I should have searched. Looks like this topic is well hashed out. LovemyLord, I agree with your points, especially the parts in Ezekiel where His name will not be profaned again. On the other hand, I dont know how to get around the sequential reading of Ezekiel where chapters 40 and on talk about millenial kingdom stuff after the battle.

[canuckmedic]

I used to hold to the same view the majority here hold to. That Gog/Magog is very soon on this side of the 1000 year reign. Thru the course of further study, I have come to wonder if this is the case. Like the OP I cannot shake the similarity of the circumstances named in both Ezekiel and Revelation...causing me to also to wonder if they are one in the same. Is it because of current news/circumstances that we think Gog/Magog is soon, or is it from Scripture alone? This is a question I have had to ask myself. There is a verse in Ezekiel that really makes me think this is one in the same with the Revelation mention of Gog/Magog. The verse is Ezekiel 38:8 "In the latter years you will go against the LAND THAT IS RESTORED FROM WAR, the land whose people were gathered from many peoples upon the mountains of Israel, which had been a continual waste land. Its people were brought out from the peoples and now dwell securely, ALL OF THEM."

The capital letters are the details the Holy Spirit put into this passage that cause me to say "wait a minute". It brought to my mind Matthew 24:31 when Jesus sets his feet down and arrives at the end of the tribulation and "gathers his elect from the four winds". At that time, then "ALL OF THEM" for the first time will be "DWELLING SECURELY" in a "LAND RESTORED FROM WAR" (after Jesus finishes His fight with earth dwellers ) Until then, Israel hasn't and won't be in those circumstances, no matter how much one tries to make those circumstances fit. I know the view that many hold to here is appealing in that it "fits" how one might imagine the convenant MIGHT come about...and how Israel will again want to return to temple worship. However, just because that would be fitting, doesn't mean that is the only way the covenent will come about or that Israel will return to temple worship.

Also, over and over again, the Holy Spirit says thru Ezekiel that one of the results of Gog/Magog is that His name will NEVER BE PROFANED AGAIN. This is such a final statement of something very final. Yet, if Gog/Magog occurs pre trib, or in the trib...there will be continual profaning of His name both in the tribulation period AND at the end of the 1000 year reign when Satan is let loose one last time.

Anyway, these details cannot be ignored or overlooked or belittled, as every "jot and tittle" of God's Word is there for a reason. And the above really has turned my previous Gog/Magog views upside down.

I know this is a very controversial post, and I hope it doesn't make anybody mad, as that isn't my intention. I do know one thing...I might be wrong. And I am ok with that. But this is kind of where I am leaning right now.

It certainly shouldn't make anyone mad, might make them think though, as it has me.

[LovemyLord]

It certainly shouldn't make anyone mad, might make them think though, as it has me.

Oh I shouldn't have made the assumption it would make someone mad. Sorry about that. I have seen heated discussions on this topic and I am not the best at communicating so just wanted to clarify my intentions. This re-visiting Gog/Magog happens to be a recent study and I'm still working thru it. :)

[BruceM]

Hi all,

I am of the opinion that Ezekiel talks of a war before the millenium, but I was just thinking, there is no reason to assume that all of Ezekiel occurs by then. We see throughout scriptures that there are dual fulfillments on prophecies. Part of it will be fulfilled at a certain time, while part of it will point to a future fulfillment. This is just a thought, and we would have no idea what part if any would be fulfilled after the millenium until we know if it is totally fulfilled before the millenium. God's word is very complex, and many prophecies might be used even more than twice. "What has happened before will happen again" comes to mind.

[Buzzardhut]

Hi all,

I am of the opinion that Ezekiel talks of a war before the millenium, but I was just thinking, there is no reason to assume that all of Ezekiel occurs by then. We see throughout scriptures that there are dual fulfillments on prophecies. Part of it will be fulfilled at a certain time, while part of it will point to a future fulfillment. This is just a thought, and we would have no idea what part if any would be fulfilled after the millenium until we know if it is totally fulfilled before the millenium. God's word is very complex, and many prophecies might be used even more than twice. "What has happened before will happen again" comes to mind.

I believe the Gog/Magog wars are 3 campaign battles.

[pattyabma]

Hi,
Been doing a lot of reading and studying prophecy lately and am curious about others' thoughts on the timing of the Gog Magog war. It seems to me that it has to take place at least 3 1/2 years before the tribulation begins in order for Israel to actually be able to burn the weapons for fuel for a full 7 years. I don't see how they'll be able to burn the weapons for fuel once the middle of the tribulation happens. The bible says at that time Israel will be fleeing to the mountains just to survive.

Any thoughts?

Patty :lol2

[RandallB]

Hi,
Been doing a lot of reading and studying prophecy lately and am curious about others' thoughts on the timing of the Gog Magog war. It seems to me that it has to take place at least 3 1/2 years before the tribulation begins in order for Israel to actually be able to burn the weapons for fuel for a full 7 years. I don't see how they'll be able to burn the weapons for fuel once the middle of the tribulation happens. The bible says at that time Israel will be fleeing to the mountains just to survive.

Any thoughts?

Patty :lol2

Welcome Patty :wave :wave

:agree I feel that there is a period of time between Ezek 39 and the Trib due to the reasons you laid out.

I also believe that we are Outta Here before Ezek 38-39 so we will be viewing this (& Ps 83) from the balcony.

[Tall Timbers]

Not all Israeli's will flee. The least fortunate will stay put. During the final war campaign (armageddon) Jerusalem will fall after a very hard fight. So Ezek 38-39 could occur just shortly before Tribulation begins.

Also, it is my inclination to believe that the rapture will occur very soon before God's wrath begins, thus I'm inclined to think that those to be raptured will be here for Ezek 38-39. As things are going now, I also suspect that the world will see more and worse destructive weather, asteroid activity that sometimes causes damage, etc., a warning of things to come for those who do not repent prior to Tribulation. Tribulation is going to be such a horrible time that the warnings are just another example of God's love for His creation. That said, nothing need occur before the rapture, we could be taken at any moment. I'm waiting somewhat patiently...

[MaranathaLJ]

Hi,
Been doing a lot of reading and studying prophecy lately and am curious about others' thoughts on the timing of the Gog Magog war. It seems to me that it has to take place at least 3 1/2 years before the tribulation begins in order for Israel to actually be able to burn the weapons for fuel for a full 7 years. I don't see how they'll be able to burn the weapons for fuel once the middle of the tribulation happens. The bible says at that time Israel will be fleeing to the mountains just to survive.

Any thoughts?

Patty :lol2


Would say after the peace treaty (Daniel 9:27) with Antichrist - Rev 6 the white horse- there is a time of

peace, Israel is dwelling securely, then the red horse is war. Reading Joel and Daniel 11:40 Russia meets

its end and you have China, Antichrist heading over there for Armageddon so at that time?

Also dont forget the Millenial reign of Christ when Satan is bound so there will be people on earth so

the 7 yrs of burying doesnt have to end before.