Fair tax revisited

[RWSchilz]

I really liked the Bushman example it was very good so I used again in my example of Tax Cuts based on Christian Economics for our current tax system.

Please read it carefully.

"Suppose that every day, ten men go out for dinner. The bill for all ten comes to $100.00. If they paid their bill the way we pay our taxes, it would go something like this:

The first four men (the poorest) would pay nothing. The fifth would pay $1.00. The sixth would pay $3.00, the seventh $7.00, the eighth $12.00, the ninth $18.00; the tenth man (the richest) would pay $59.00.

So, that’s what they decided to do."

The ten Christian men ate dinner in the restaurant every day, and seemed quite happy with the arrangement, until one day, the owner threw them a curve.

“Since you are all such good customers,” he said, “I’m going to reduce the cost of your daily meal by $20.00.”

So, now dinner for the ten only cost $80.00. The group still wanted to pay their bill the way we pay our taxes. But the richest man decided to call it a tax cut for the first 6 men and said how about $4.00 each for the first four men and $2.00 each for the fifth and six men, so they agreed. The first six men thought that was very generous of the other four men who mostly paid the dinner bill.

Each of the first six men was better off than before. The next night when the ten men went to dinner, the first six men said they wanted to pay more of a share of the dinner bill which was now $80.00 so they divided it up this way; the first four men (the poorest) wanted to pay $2.00 each, the fifth man wanted to pay $3.00 the sixth man wanted to pay $4.00, the seventh man was happy paying $6.00, the eighth man was happy paying $11.00, the ninth man was happy paying $17.00; the tenth man (the richest) said that leaves only $31.00 for me. The richest man feeling good about his share of the bill decided to leave an extra $10.00 tip making his total $41.00 still $18.00 less then what he used to pay. Giving money to the people at the bottom of the latter still benefits everyone going up the latter when they are able to buy more.

And that my fellow Christian’s is how our tax system should work in a Christian world.


President Bush’s tax cuts the past six years has helped to give us a very good economy right now more tax cuts targeting the middle class on down will keep it rolling. The rich do not need tax cuts they always benefit more by having people with greater buying power at the retail level. I have no faith in a flat tax because it will never happen the government never does anything that simple.:)

[Cameron]

The senate and house can draft a resolution quickly when it comes to trying to subvert the president on the war, but you never see tax legislation emerge than would fix the system. The subject gets a lot of talk during election cycles, then goes away until time for the next election. The politicians are addicted to the money and they are not going to take away anything that would be too much of a cut. They use our tax dollars to garner votes, not to do what is best for America.

Remember how they were howling during the last election about the alternative minimum tax and how it was unfair and needed to be eliminated. Well guys.....where is the bill for the vote to do so??

[Pagemistress]

The senate and house can draft a resolution quickly when it comes to trying to subvert the president on the war, but you never see tax legislation emerge than would fix the system. The subject gets a lot of talk during election cycles, then goes away until time for the next election. The politicians are addicted to the money and they are not going to take away anything that would be too much of a cut. They use our tax dollars to garner votes, not to do what is best for America.

Remember how they were howling during the last election about the alternative minimum tax and how it was unfair and needed to be eliminated. Well guys.....where is the bill for the vote to do so??

These guys have no intention of lowering taxes...there are too many pork barrel projects and liberal programs to pay for. This of course applies to both sides of the aisle...

[Stonewall]

How about we just get rid of the income tax and IRS...and replace it with nothing? Instead favoring a national sales tax over an income tax - just have neither. That's even better!

It is remarkably simple to do. The income tax only brings in 1/3 of federal tax revenue.

Since 2000, the federal budget has soared by about at least that much. (Thank you, conservative administration and Congress!)

So we could have a balanced budget and no income tax, and no fairtax, if we just cut spending down to 2000 levels. That's not that hard, now is it?

No tax structure will solve anything until the spending problem is addressed. If spending was under control, the method or means of taxation would matter very little - because the burden would be so light on everyone.

[OnceWasLost]

Problem is that entitlement spending grows (cost of living increase) every year and new people are being added to the system. So even a reduction in spending and elimination entire gov. departments will be a temporary fix. Add to the problem that we have not seen the monster SS is going to be when the baby boomers enroll.

The single reason that the "progressive" tax system will never die is simple, IMO.

Here is why, can you imagine politicians, who use the issue, willingly lose the ability to shout slogans like;

"The rich are getting richer on the backs of the poor"
"The rich need to pay their fair share"
"The middle class is losing ______________"

Heck, the Edwards whole "Two Americas" road show would fall apart.

A consumption tax of some sort makes too much sense. Therefor politicians will not allow common sense to goof up a good campaign issue :heh

[Cameron]

I just don't think it is right to forcibly take money from the citizens. Its robbery, clear and simple. Either pay up or go to jail and risk losing your home and possessions. Did we Americans actualy agree to punish "ourselves" in such a manner? :scratch

But if we paid at the register when we made a purchase, and had higher tarriffs and license fees, that would fix it.

But as someone said, thats too simple, and politicians will not make it simple.

Plus who would they get to do an audit of the tax returns of their opponents and enemies?

The tax system will not get fixed until we have new legislators in D.C. The current crop is too addicted to the cash and the things it can buy....FOR THEM!!