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TBRSoon
July 16th, 2011, 05:22 PM
Sounds right to me! They have built a new skyscraper they are calling the "New Tower of Babel"!

waiting1
July 16th, 2011, 08:13 PM
Only one city really sits on 7 hills.
ROME!
And it deals in trade of every extravagent exotic materials/goods there is.
It is a seaport and it faces the western Mediterranean, and the AC will get the world leaders to nuke it. How else could the whole city be destroyed in an hour?

TBRSoon
July 16th, 2011, 10:25 PM
Only one city really sits on 7 hills.
ROME!
And it deals in trade of every extravagent exotic materials/goods there is.
It is a seaport and it faces the western Mediterranean, and the AC will get the world leaders to nuke it. How else could the whole city be destroyed in an hour?

That makes a lot of sense too.

Buzzardhut
July 16th, 2011, 10:36 PM
Don't forget Babylon is a mystery and is a spiritual phenomenon as well as a physical location and commercial market, when it does rise up during the tribulation there will be no doubts about what it is.

JFrancisco
July 16th, 2011, 11:56 PM
There is babylon, which is in iraq. There is mystery babylon which is a system.

The seven mountains are seven kingdoms. Please read in context. Nothing to do with Rome.

Babylon is Babylon. Jerusalem is Jerusalem. No room for speculation.

Dubai is not babylon.
New york is not babylon.
Rome is not babylon.

Babylon is babylon.

Rapturetime
July 17th, 2011, 09:11 AM
There is babylon, which is in iraq. There is mystery babylon which is a system.

The seven mountains are seven kingdoms. Please read in context. Nothing to do with Rome.

Babylon is Babylon. Jerusalem is Jerusalem. No room for speculation.

Dubai is not babylon.
New york is not babylon.
Rome is not babylon.

Babylon is babylon.

Believe me I interpret everything that is meant to be literal in the bible literally. I just can't seem to reconcile Revelation 17 "For in one hour so great riches is come to nought. And every shipmaster, and all the company in ships,And sailors, and as many as trade by sea,Stood afar off, 18 And cried When they saw the smoke of her burning, saying,What city is like unto this great city!" with the actual Babylon in Iraq. The city is landlocked so I don't see how merchants by the sea stand afar off and see her destruction. Perhaps the city is destroyed by a nuke and the cloud of smoke can be seen out in the Gulf? Another concern I have is that Babylon is such a longs way off from being an opulent city that everyone wants to trade with that it would seem that the trib cannot be as close as we think. I know God can work a miracle and change this city over night but He hasn't seemed to fulfill other prophecies in his manner so it just seems strange that He would do so with Babylon. Anyway, we might not know the answer to this question this side of the trib. I just haven't had anyone satisfy my confusion on this subject and so thought I would bring it up again.

JFrancisco
July 17th, 2011, 12:12 PM
Believe me I interpret everything that is meant to be literal in the bible literally. I just can't seem to reconcile Revelation 17 "For in one hour so great riches is come to nought. And every shipmaster, and all the company in ships,And sailors, and as many as trade by sea,Stood afar off, 18 And cried When they saw the smoke of her burning, saying,What city is like unto this great city!" with the actual Babylon in Iraq. The city is landlocked so I don't see how merchants by the sea stand afar off and see her destruction. Perhaps the city is destroyed by a nuke and the cloud of smoke can be seen out in the Gulf? Another concern I have is that Babylon is such a longs way off from being an opulent city that everyone wants to trade with that it would seem that the trib cannot be as close as we think. I know God can work a miracle and change this city over night but He hasn't seemed to fulfill other prophecies in his manner so it just seems strange that He would do so with Babylon. Anyway, we might not know the answer to this question this side of the trib. I just haven't had anyone satisfy my confusion on this subject and so thought I would bring it up again.

1. We don't know how the topography of the area will change as the judgements of God are poured out.

2. Babylon seems the right distance from the persian gulf for the "far off ships" to witness what will be an awesome destruction.

3. We have no doubt as to the importance of Jerusalem or where Jerusalem really is. We must remember Babylon is the spiritual opposite. All prophecies concerning literal babylon have not been fulfilled. We know the ac marches on Jerusalem from Babylon. Babylon was the first of the prophecied kingdoms of gentiles during time of gentiles. Nimrod the first type of antichrist ruled from babylon and created the first one world order. etc etc.

The 7 hill theory that points to rome has many problems:

The seven mountains are kingdoms. Mystery babylon doesn't sit on seven literal hills but on seven kingdoms. Revelation 17 is speaking of mystery babylon as a system or order.

Revelation 18 then switches to describe the physical literal babylon.

17 is the order by which 18 is ruled.

BPN03
July 17th, 2011, 01:15 PM
Literal Babylon will not be an economic powerhouse in the next 50 years. People love to mention Dubai, but as large as it has become in the last 20 years it is still nothing compared to what Babylon should be. It will be the largest most prosperous city in the world. These kinds of things don't just pop up. They take decades or centuries to build. Either we are a ways off from the trib or we are talking about another Babylon. That's just my opinion. I can see scripture supporting several other scenarios for Babylon.

JFrancisco
July 17th, 2011, 01:25 PM
Literal Babylon will not be an economic powerhouse in the next 50 years. People love to mention Dubai, but as large as it has become in the last 20 years it is still nothing compared to what Babylon should be. It will be the largest most prosperous city in the world. These kinds of things don't just pop up. They take decades or centuries to build. Either we are a ways off from the trib or we are talking about another Babylon. That's just my opinion. I can see scripture supporting several other scenarios for Babylon.

So when scripture talks about Jerusalem is it maybe Hong Kong or Moscow? What scripture supports claiming some other city is babylon?

Just because your mind can't comprehend something doesn't mean it can't happen. God says Babylon, I believe Babylon.

Or Jerusalem is Topeka and Magog is Alberta. etc

I think a review of hermeneutics is in order.

TBRSoon
July 17th, 2011, 04:50 PM
Sorry but nothing out there really has to happen for the rapture to occur and for war to break out. Babylon is out there and honestly does it really matter whether it's Rome or Dubai or some other country?

Seriously it could also be Europe (the EU). Have you seen the EU Parliament Building?? It looks like a replica of the Tower of Babel!!!

See for yourself...

http://biblelight.net/tower-painting-parliament.jpg