PDA

View Full Version : The Biblical Argument for the Rebuilding of Babylon *Merged*



Pages : 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 [48] 49 50 51 52 53 54 55 56 57 58

Gam
July 17th, 2011, 04:00 PM
Literal Babylon will not be an economic powerhouse in the next 50 years. People love to mention Dubai, but as large as it has become in the last 20 years it is still nothing compared to what Babylon should be. It will be the largest most prosperous city in the world. These kinds of things don't just pop up. They take decades or centuries to build. Either we are a ways off from the trib or we are talking about another Babylon. That's just my opinion. I can see scripture supporting several other scenarios for Babylon.


I agree with you BPNO3, I choose to follow God's leading in Rev. 17:9 He is giving His wisdom to any who will open their hearts to the truth. I believe the 7 mountains are exactly that, 7 mountains! I refuse to believe mens musings as to what they think
Mystery babylon is, because it doesn't serve their purpose or agenda. I mean, what are "My people" doing in babylon, when did purple and scarlet become popular, in babylon? And on and on it goes. Heed God's warning people, read God's word and
listen. And as long as we are being literal,, always remember, Israel is NOT the modern day church!

icebear
July 17th, 2011, 04:07 PM
it could be one of a few areas not heavily damaged by disasters and the first series of judgments. perhaps people will flock to it and make it a major city with an accumulation of pooled resources instead of trying to rebuild destroyed major cities...?

Gam
July 17th, 2011, 04:24 PM
it could be one of a few areas not heavily damaged by disasters and the first series of judgments. perhaps people will flock to it and make it a major city with an accumulation of pooled resources instead of trying to rebuild destroyed major cities...?

Hi icebear :wave I suppose "it" could be alot of things. We could let our minds
imagine all day long. This is why it is important to follow the leading of God, when He gives it...like in Rev. 17:9. Why speculate, when the truth is set right before our eyes
by our creator? I just think God's Word is clear, and it would be smart to see his warnings as truth.

icebear
July 17th, 2011, 04:28 PM
Hi icebear :wave I suppose "it" could be alot of things. We could let our minds
imagine all day long. This is why it is important to follow the leading of God, when He gives it...like in Rev. 17:9. Why speculate, when the truth is set right before our eyes
by our creator? I just think God's Word is clear, and it would be smart to see his warnings as truth.


i agree, i meant the "it" as real, current babylon. maybe it will be more interesting during the trib, being such an ancient city. people will be thumbing their noses at God. what better place to go and build their repugnant city in full rebellion.

Tall Timbers
July 17th, 2011, 05:29 PM
There is babylon, which is in iraq. There is mystery babylon which is a system.

Babylon is Babylon. Jerusalem is Jerusalem. No room for speculation.

Dubai is not babylon.
New york is not babylon.
Rome is not babylon.

Babylon is babylon.

+1

JFrancisco
July 17th, 2011, 05:34 PM
Hi icebear :wave I suppose "it" could be alot of things. We could let our minds
imagine all day long. This is why it is important to follow the leading of God, when He gives it...like in Rev. 17:9. Why speculate, when the truth is set right before our eyes
by our creator? I just think God's Word is clear, and it would be smart to see his warnings as truth.

The seven mountains are seven kingdoms. It is not seven literal mountains. It is speaking of mystery babylon, not literal babylon. The system that rules babylon.

Again a study of hermeneutics is in order here as there seems to be a problem telling apart the literal from the metaphorical.

Gam
July 18th, 2011, 06:08 PM
The seven mountains are seven kingdoms. It is not seven literal mountains. It is speaking of mystery babylon, not literal babylon. The system that rules babylon.

Again a study of hermeneutics is in order here as there seems to be a problem telling apart the literal from the metaphorical.

JFrancisco, I align myself with tested and true bible scholars who's hermeneutics are biblically solid such as Dave Hunt, Ed Hinson, Mike Gendron, Jim Tetlow.

Below, are a couple of links that you may find interesting and worth your time.
Regardless, the warning to "My people" to "come out of her" is yet another way God warns before pouring out His wrath. People would do well to listen to His warning.

http://www.prophecydepot.com/ ( Scroll down the page and click on "The coming World Religion" Radio Interviews) look for picture of woman in red riding the beast.

Dave Reagan writes a pro and con article on "Mystery Babylon" but I think it's clear he leans toward the Rome concept over the Babylon concept.
http://www.lamblion.com/articles/articles_issues19-php or you can go to past "Lamplighter" magazine issues (on the Lamb and Lion home page), and look for July/August 2009 issue, then look for article "Mystery Babylon".

There are also articles by Ed Hinson on the internet if you combine his name and Mystery Babylon.

JFrancisco
July 19th, 2011, 04:10 PM
We have two babylons here. Babylon and mystery babylon.

Babylon is literal babylon from which the antichrist will rule the new world order. First of all we have the issue of unfullfilled prophecy concerning babylon and her total destruction. I believe chapters like Zechariah 5 actually describe the preparation of Babylon for the antichrist. I don't believe that the bible leaves any room to doubt the antichrist will rule from babylon. Even the kings that revolt against the antichrist and the response of the antichrist only make sense geographically if babylon is actually babylon. daniel 11.

Mystery babylon is not rome. Mystery babylon is a system. Revelation 17 is not literal. Many people point to the 7 hills of Rome as proof. Yet Revelation 17 tells us that the 7 hills/mountains are actually kingdoms. Nothing to do with literal hills. Is the great harlot Catholacism? Yes I believe mystery babylon is the final world religion which is destroyed by the antichrist himself.

Babylon = Capital of final world government. Interesting to note that physical babylon was the first one world government that rebelled against God, ruled by the first type of antichrist given in Nimrod. Babylon was also where the time of the gentiles began with another type of antichrist in neb. Babylon is judged and destroyed by God.

Mystery Babylon = Religious system of the new world order. Not a physical or literal place. Mystery babylon will by destroyed by the antichrist.

Is babylon right now this world capital no. I don't know how it will happen but only a few months ago I couldn't figure out how Egypt would ever turn on Israel or the west. Over night egypt changed, God removed Mubarak. Can I imagine how Egypt will end up with cities that speak hebrew. No. But the bible says so. Is there specific scripture that lead you to believe babylon is not literal babylon?

I mean scripture apart from mystery babylon. Is there any scripture that describes babylon's future role that apply to some other city? If God made the distinction between Babylon and the religious order that is Mystery Babylon, wouldn't He make one between Babylon and Dubai? Babylon and Rome?

In the end for the prophecies to be fulfilled against babylon it must rise again. Otherwise Isaiah was incorrect.

dleader
July 19th, 2011, 10:46 PM
Isaiah 13-14 and Jeremiah 50-51 spell it all out. Babylon was never destroyed historically the these scriptures describe it. This must be a future event. God can allow for this city to rise up quickly. Good post JFrancisco.

gradywhite
August 2nd, 2011, 11:07 AM
http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/End%20of%20the%20World/seat_666.htm
Rather interesting read on the tower.