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Buzzardhut
January 2nd, 2008, 06:44 AM
Inside a Prophetic Service (http://www.deceptioninthechurch.com/8.htm)

The "prophet" had the crowd following every word he said, even

almost every movement he made, in fact, every sensation he felt in

his body!



[Bob Jones] Hmmmm, witchcraft coming again...check that

in Jesus' name. I feel pin pricks on me. There's

witchcraft comin'...



Then the pastor, Mike Bickle explains to the crowd,



When Bob feels pin pricks in his hand, that just show up,

that means witchcraft is in this [place]...The phrase

that Bob uses is his senses turn golden...His five senses

are literally inspired by the Holy Spirit ...He could

tell what was happening in the spirit realm from the five

senses...1 (See Jude 19)



What's going on here? No, it's not a psychic, it's a full

gospel church service, featuring Mike Bickle and "seer" Bob Jones!

Bob Jones is "picking up" witchcraft by the pin prickly feeling in

his hand and Mike Bickle is asking him to elaborate on the whole

concept of "golden senses," in which 20-30 different signs show up

in his physical body to help him divine the spiritual realm. For

example, his hands turn different colors to indicate things,

(purple-royalty, red-intercession, etc). Did the apostles ever

model anything even remotely like this? Never mind, these men are

part of the new breed, they are so anointed that the apostles can't

wait to meet them! As Mike Bickle says,



The saints in the New Testament would wait in line to

greet the apostles coming from this generation![2]



Who Are the Kansas City Prophets?



In following the trail of error that has led to this current

mysticized revival, we need to fully explore the role that the

company of men known as the Kansas City Prophets have to play in

it. The controversy that surrounded them in the late 1980's and

very early 1990's seems to have died down since John Wimber came

forward to offer them a "covering" through affiliation with the

Vineyard Movement. It is my contention that instead of truly

resolving the problems that were raised by these false prophets, a

band-aid was put over the whole affair. The erroneous teaching and

ministry of Paul Cain, Bob Jones, John Paul Jackson, and others has

been promoted and circulated through the Body of Christ in the

years since Vineyard has been their covering. Bob Jones, one of

the more obviously false prophets, finally was exposed, but not as

a false prophet, but for an ethical/moral failure. His prophecies

have been cited several times, to my knowledge, as valid, at

Toronto Airport Vineyard. The same people who heralded these men

as prophets are now heralding this spiritual drunkenness as a great

end times revival. I wouldn't even be surprised to find that

behind the scenes of this "latest move of the Spirit" you'd

probably find some of the same people offering their "prophetic

ministry." We are not talking about personality differences here,

nor about doctrinal hairsplitting, the men I'll be discussing in

this chapter have presumed to speak prophetically, in the name of

the Lord, (as though God were talking) to the whole, universal

church! They have made great claims, like "The Lord spoke to me

clearly..." or "I stood face to face before the Lord." And what is

in the message? Sheer Manifested Sons, Latter Rain, last days

super church, church as manchild stuff, reheated, repackaged and

rehashed!



In describing the Kansas City Prophets, for the sake of time

and space, I'll zero in on three men, Mike Bickle, Bob Jones, and

Paul Cain. I will briefly discuss some others, but these are the

three major players, in the Kansas City Prophets controversy. It's

also important, however, to take a fresh look at how the church

handled (or failed to handle with responsibility) the exposure of

false prophecy, for this has set the course which we are currently

on, and the same people who wouldn't discern at that time, even

more so now, refuse to think critically.



Mike Bickle



We must start with the pastor of a church in Kansas City,

Missouri, named Mike Bickle. The church is now known as the Metro

Vineyard of Kansas City, but in the early 1980's when it was

started it was called KCF for Kansas City Fellowship. Bickle

originally had pastored in St. Louis. In June of 1982, a man named

Augustine approached Bickle and told him that he had heard an

audible voice telling him to prophesy by the "spirit of truth" to

Bickle's congregation. Bickle allowed him to do this and was

impressed by the seeming accuracy with which he described the

condition of his church. In September, the same year, Mike Bickle

himself heard an audible voice speak to him, while on a trip in

Cairo, Egypt. The voice told him,



I am inviting you to raise up a work that will touch the

ends of the earth. I have invited many people to do this

thing and many people have said yes, but very few have

done my will.[3]



Shortly after this, on a "word from the Lord," Bickle began a

new work in Kansas City, Missouri. The church grew rapidly in a

very short time. In 1986, Bickle and his elders formed an

organization called Grace Ministries, which they described as, "A

ministry team of men committed to seeing the church fully restored

to the glory described in God's Word."[4] Now, Grace Ministries

and KCF are two distinct organizations. Al Dager gives a good

description of the function of Grace Ministries,



Grace Ministries is a parachurch organization that

represents several men who engage in itinerant, allegedly

prophetic, ministries...There are seven major facets to

Grace Ministries: 1. Apostolic teams; 2. City churches;

3. The House of Prayer; 4. The Joseph Company; 5. The

Israel Mandate; 6. A Ministry training center; 7. Shiloh

Ministries.[5]



I won't try to describe in detail each facet, as Al Dager did

in his helpful Media Spotlight Report, but I will highlight a few

aspects of two of the facets.



City churches, Bickle believes that every city really only has

one church, which may consist of several congregations, but must

come under one, citywide, eldership. As Ministries Today reported,



Bickle and his leadership team have promoted a concept

advocating unity among all pastors in a geographic area.

Bickle now says that the idea should have emphasized

"unity through friendship" rather than "unity through a

church government structure." Many pastors in Kansas

City felt threatened by what they perceived to be an

attempt to "swallow" other churches under KCF's banner.

"The way we used terminology created fear, division, and

suspicion," Bickle admits.[6]



Shiloh Ministries was or is, the development of a prophetic

community. A piece of land was designated and developed, where

prophets could live together, convene prophetic conferences, share

their insights, and train up other prophets. The senior prophetic

authority recognized over Shiloh, was to be Paul Cain, a former

associate of William Branham. Cain once called Branham, "The

greatest prophet who ever lived." (It is interesting to note that

there was, in Iowa, (might still be) a "prophetic" retreat and

community called Shiloh. It was noted for its Manifested Sons of

God teaching. But I don't know if it's directly related.)



Though Bickle is the pastor of KCF and founder of Grace

Ministries, he at one point, seemed to back down from calling

anybody a prophet. Here is an excerpt from an interview he had

with Al Dager.



There's no one in our midst that we give the title

"prophet." The only one I would feel comfortable of

giving that office would be Paul Cain, but he refuses to

accept it. So, I'd say both of them, apostle and

prophet_I believe that in God's purpose they exist, but

we're very hesitant to designate somebody as being one at

this point and time.[7]



But, on the other hand, in his lengthy interview with Bob

Jones on the tape, "Visions and Revelations," Jones describes

numerous face to face encounters with the Lord. Upon Bickle's

encouragement, Jones tells the crowd what God supposedly said, what

he saw in the throne room, what he clearly "heard." If that is not

playing the role of the prophet, what is? Semantically avoiding

the actual title "prophet," but then delivering messages to the

church in the name of the Lord, seems hypocritical to me. To avoid

the scrutiny of Deut 13 and Deut 18, they call themselves

"prophetic ministries" instead of "prophets." But, even the ones

who follow them know better, calling them "The Prophets."



I believe that Mike Bickle has been zealous, and well

intentioned. I have read a book of his, Passion for Jesus,

which makes clear some beautiful teachings about the attributes of

God, the fear of the Lord, and knowing God. But, I also believe

that through an unfortunate lack of discernment, he has promoted

false prophets, as well as the doctrines of Manifested Sons of God,

on an international scale. This has helped pave the way for the

current mysticism. The next person we will discuss is an excellent

example of this.



Bob Jones



Bob Jones has been described publicly at KCF as a "resident

seer." This is unfortunate because he turned out to be one of the

most blatant examples of a false prophet, of them all. How anyone

can listen to him for even 10 minutes and not completely reject him

as a prophet, is amazing to me. And yet, Mike Bickle and KCF

thought enough of him to tape a lengthy interview with him called,

"Visions and Revelations." The blatantly false doctrine, and

occultic dreams and "revelations" found on this tape were enabled

to make their way all over the world in a relatively short time.

On the tape, Jones describes how he went from being a drunkard,

fornicator, and bar room brawler, to eventually land in a mental

institution, where he was regularly visited by demons who would

hold conversations with him. Finally, Jesus Himself told Bob in

order to get his mind back, to either kill or forgive twelve people

he hated! Jones goes on to describe his Christian life and

supernatural ministry.



One unforgettable episode that Jones recounts is how he

received a visit from an angelic guide name "Dominus." "Dominus"

eventually turned out to be the Lord Jesus Christ Himself,

according to Jones. Jones tells how, in an out of body experience,

he and Dominus sat above the KCF "in the Spirit," on rocking

chairs, holding hands. To confirm Jones' "ministry" to Mike Bickle

and his brother in law and associate pastor Bob Scott, Dominus

revealed to Jones that he would visit the two men in their dreams.

Each man subsequently had a dream in which a friend they knew named

"Don" appeared (two separate Don's). When they asked Jones why Don

appeared and not Jesus, Jones impatiently replied,



You guys are never going to learn the language of the

Spirit, are you?...Jesus appears in thousands of

different faces to portray something. He was trying to

say, "I'm your friend, I am your familiar friend and I'm

going to show you all things so you can move in the power

of the Spirit."[8]



To be honest with you, I think this was a combination of the

working of a powerful familiar spirit and incredible naivete.

Bickle would later say of Jones, "He should have had a backstage

ministry."[9]



The Shepherd's Rod



Bob Jones also contributed the Shepherd's Rod Revelation to

the Body. According to him, "Everyone must pass under the

shepherd's rod once a year." It all started when, according to

Mike Bickle,



Ten years ago, the Lord began to visit Bob and tell him

that he would visit him on the day of atonement each

year...The Lord literally stands before Bob and speaks to

him...it's a real holy thing before the Lord...[10]



"The Lord" showed Bob Jones that on the day of atonement the

shepherd of the congregation must hold out his staff and all must

pass under it for a time of prophetic inspection. If they are in

sin, it will be revealed prophetically to the leader. Bob Jones

says this is a time where the Lord turns you upside down and looks

you over for blemishes. Thus, through this blatant denial of the

cross, you have God's people observing a distorted day of

atonement.



It would take an entire book to catalog the heresy of this one

man, and that is not my purpose. My burden in this chapter is to

remind us, where was the discernment? We were so spiritual, so

full of "mystical" revelation and "cutting edge truth," but look at

what we overlooked! The emperor obviously has no clothes! And

when it began to be exposed by Ernie Gruen, it was almost dealt

with as a matter of personal animosity and covered over. These men

didn't leave ministry, their tapes weren't pulled. They haven't

missed a beat! This is why we are so blind and intoxicated right

now. Before there was a scandal, Mike Bickle said of Bob Jones,

"There is nobody in the natural that had a more integral role in

establishing our foundations in that kind of prophetic way, than

Bob [Jones]"[11] After part of the controversy, Mike Bickle

expresses regrets, "I made the mistake of allowing Bob Jones to

step out from backstage into prominent, public ministry," and "I

believe the Lord gave Bob Jones a backstage ministry, but I

promoted him on the front stage."[12] Backstage ministry? I hope

not. I'd rather have people like him out in the open than

influencing movements backstage. Here are just a few of the

blatant errors promoted by the "backstage ministry."

When Bob Scott, associate pastor at KCF questioned Bob Jones

about being in a recent dream, Jones replied, "It was not a dream,

it was something other than a dream." He questioned Jones again,

"Was that a dream or a trance or a vision?" Bob says, "Well, it

was neither, I was there...on occasions, I'm there, it's not a

vision, it's not a trance, I'm there."[13]



Bob Jones' White Talking Horse_(Bob Jones) "The first time I

ever seen the white horse was when an angel called Gabriel was

riding. I saw him a couple of times in the '70's, I didn't

understand what it meant, I would just see the white horse...(Mike

Bickle interjects) (Mike Bickle) "The white horse always speaks in

Bob's visions...In his vision it speaks of the corporate purpose

that God is bringing to pass..."[14]



35 Super Apostles like unto Paul_Bob Jones saw and described

a vision in which, "The Holy Spirit took me to a place_this time it

wasn't the Lord took me, it was the Holy Spirit. He took me to a

place and I saw the Lord, high and lifted up, by some young men and

he set upon the golden ark...and I looked and there were men that

had hold of the ark and they had the ark upon their shoulders. And

the government will be upon their single shoulders." Jones goes on

to explain how, by way of allegory, the Lord showed him he would

raise up 35 men, to be champions for Christ in the last days.

"...They will reign and reveal to the world that they truly are the

faithful and true leaders and the government that will be upon his

single shoulder." Mike Bickle comments, "I think there'll be 35

like unto Paul...There would be 35 whom the Lord would separate in

the highest way. The government rests on apostles and

prophets."[15]



What a perversion of Isaiah 9, in which Jesus is described as

Wonderful, Counselor, the mighty God, the everlasting Father and

the one on whose shoulder shall rest the government of the whole

earth!! Yet how typical of Manifested Sons heresy, to replace

the person of the Lord Jesus Christ, with the "corporate Christ"

concept.



Bob's revelation concerning prophetic accuracy. Bob Jones, in

the tape "Shepherd's Rod" told us that God had revealed to him that

the Rhema (spoken word) would be two-thirds accurate in the days to

come. In other words, up to two-thirds of the time these prophets

would be "right on." Why not 100% of the time? If you listen to

Bob Jones, you would be glad for inaccurate prophets! Why? God

showed Bob, supposedly, that if enough power was released to give

us 100% accuracy, we would have dead Ananias' and Sapphirra's all

over the place! (How's that for making people actually thankful

for inaccurate prophets?) Jones says we shouldn't worry about

inaccurate prophesies, for God told him that prophets are like guns

and prophecies are like bullets and inaccurate prophecies are like

blanks. And he also says that God told him, "I'm loading the guns,

I'm putting the blanks in!" Incredible! Jones would have us

believe that God is responsible for innaccurate prophecies!

Supposedly, even when we shoot blanks, it scares the enemy! Bob

Jones complains about people who "try to make us Old Testament

prophets" meaning to hold them to the standard of Deut 18. He then

quotes I Cor 14, about giving prophecy in church and judging to see

if they are all right. I must reply to this.



There is a huge difference, I agree, in giving a prophecy, "To

edify, exhort, and comfort" the church, and in being a prophet, who

presumes to speak in the name of the Lord. But, we aren't trying

to make these modern "prophets" into Old Testament prophets, they

are. They are the ones who emphatically say, "The Lord said this,"

or "I saw the Lord face to face, and He said thus and so..."

that's a far cry from supernatural utterance to edify, exhort, and

comfort. Standing up and making bold pronouncements to the church

universal in the name of God is a serious matter, New or Old

Testament. Leading the church into error as a teacher is bad

enough, but to claim direct revelation while doing it is even

worse. Bob Jones is a man who claims to have five to six visions

and revelations per day. We are talking about a man who thought he

was a backslider when two days went by without a visitation from

Jesus. He actually stands before the Lord on the day of atonement,

remember? And Mike Bickle enthusiastically promoted it!



The New Breed To Come, The Elected Seed - Bob Jones has much

to say about the actual bloodline of the great last days

overcomers. Bob reports that the Lord told him, "From out of the

sands of time I have called the best of every bloodline in the

earth, unto this generation...Even the bloodline of Paul...of

David...of Peter, James and John, the best of their seed is unto

this generation. They will even be superior to them in heart,

stature and love for me..." What does bloodline matter to God,

who of one blood, made us all? Sounds more like some kind of

Eugenics cult than the gospel of Jesus Christ. Jones goes on to

promise prophetically, the old Manifested Sons of God hopes that,

"They will move into things of the supernatural that no one has

ever moved in before. Every miracle, sign and wonder that has ever

been in the Bible, they'll move in it consistently. They'll move

in the power that Christ did...They themselves will be that

generation that's raised up to put death itself underneath their

feet and to glorify Christ in every way...So that glorious church

might be revealed in the last days because the Lord Jesus is worthy

to be lifted up by a church that has reached the full maturity of

the God man!"[16]



This is typical of the sheer Manifested Sons heresy promoted

by KCF and Grace Ministries. Has anyone renounced this? No, they

renounce the fact that they put Bob Jones out in "front stage" and

not "backstage," but the heresy isn't rejected. Jones' real

problem was that he openly promoted things that others realize the

church isn't "quite ready for."



Several times while I have been there in Toronto in the

services at Airport Vineyard, the prophecies of Bob Jones were

discussed in a noncritical matter, as having been fulfilled in part

by this revival. In a transcript of a meeting at Airport Vineyard,

Friday, October 14, 1994, Wes Campbell discusses Bob Jones'

revelation of an upcoming "civil war" in the church. In this war,

the blue represents "revelation knowledge" people, fighting for

freedom in the Spirit. "The gray" as in gray matter, those bound

to their minds, you know, critical thinking (of course they are the

ones keeping the church in slavery). This "revelation" was

discussed as being credible and soon coming.[17]



This failure to resolve to correct the obvious lack of

discernment, has cost us our spiritual eyesight, and led us deeper

into error. Bob Jones can be an object lesson to us. After all,

how could all of the "great prophetic company" fail to "pick up on

him?" Truly, the emperor has no clothes.



Rev 3:17-18 Because thou sayest, I am rich and increased

with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not

that thou are wretched, and miserable, and poor, and

blind, and naked: I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried

in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment,

that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy

nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with

eyesalve, that thou mayest see.



Paul Cain



One of the most prominent and well received ministries

associated with KCF would be the ministry of Paul Cain. The people

of KCF and Grace Ministries have held Cain in the highest regard.



We [KCF] have recognized a mandate from the Lord to make

a special commitment to follow the leadership of John

Wimber and Paul Cain. Grace Ministries believes that

these two men are chosen vessels among others in the

nation.[18]



In the tape, "Visions and Revelations" in which Bickle

interviews Bob Jones, Cain is described by Jones as "the most

anointed prophet that's in the world today." He is said to have

the "fear mantle on him," and we are assured that "the enemy would

love to take him out before he [Cain] anoints this next generation,

before he writes upon your mind...before he imparts his anointing

into thousands of you."[19]



Paul Cain has an interesting background. In his testimony, it

is reported that immediately before his birth, his mother was

nearly dead from four major conditions. Breast cancer,

tuberculosis, heart disease, and three other malignant tumors, all

were afflicting her at the time she was to give birth. But, an

angel of the Lord came to her and told her not to fear, she would

not die, but give birth to a male child. The angel even told her

to name him Paul for he would preach the gospel as Paul did. As

you can see, there are many similarities to the testimony of

William Branham whom Cain was to one day be an associate of. Paul

Cain says that the angel of the Lord spoke to him at the age of 8

in an audible voice. "I heard an audible voice and of course,

often the angel of the Lord_it might have been the Lord Jesus

Christ_but anyway, when He speaks it's rather awesome."[20]



Joel's Army



Paul Cain testifies of another unusual visitation which

occurred at the age of 19, which gave him a message that he

promotes to this day. An angel appeared to him in glory and

magnificence, holding out a sword, pointing to a billboard. The

billboard said, "Joel's army now in training." When he asked the

Lord what it meant, the Lord took him through the book of Joel.

Joel's army is described in Joel 2:1-11. To Cain and others,

Joel's army is that great last days church, that "New Breed" of

believers in whom the whole plan of God is climaxed in. These are

the ones who take the world for Christ, are in perfect unity, are

invincible, even divine in a sense! The idea of a Joel's army of

invincible saints, executing judgement, is a huge expression of the

Latter Rain/Manifested Sons of God teachers.



In 1947, Paul Cain began a public healing ministry, he was 18

years old. His contemporaries were William Branham, Oral Roberts,

A. A. Allen, Jack Coe, T. L. Osborne, etc. As the healing revival

exploded and prosperity and popularity increased Cain saw greed,

pride, and self service begin to characterize himself and others he

knew. He entered into a season of repentance of which he would say

after that God stripped everything away. It was during that season

of repentance that he had another life changing visitation from the

Lord,



God had told him that if he kept himself from corruption

and remained content with living a humble life, marked by

scripture study and prayer, one day he would be allowed

to stand before a new breed of men and women leaders.

These would be marked by simplicity, purity, and

remarkable manifestations of power.[21]



Thus began 25 years of extremely low profile for this

"prophet" of the Lord, whom the Lord had also called to be

celibate. It wasn't until April of 1987 that "the Lord ordained a

divine appointment for Paul with Mike Bickle and others from

KCF"[22] "The KCF eldership instantly felt the Lord prompting them

to make a deep and permanent commitment to serve Paul Cain in

anyway possible for the rest of his days as the Lord

permitted."[23] Bob Jones, the "resident seer" at KCF went so far

as to say of Cain, "The Lord named Paul Cain's ministry, "The

Terror of the Lord" or "The Jealousy of God."[24]



Terror of the Lord? What is it about Paul Cain that causes

people to regard him so reverently? Paul Cain has exhibited the

ability to tell people the details of their lives, hidden sins and

even things they have said in confidence to others. There have

been reports of earthquakes and other natural disasters predicted

by him.



In January of 1989, Paul Cain told Jack Deere, a Vineyard

pastor, that an earthquake would occur on the day Paul

arrived for the first time to meet John Wimber at the

church in Anaheim, California. Another would occur

elsewhere in the world the day after he left Anaheim.

Cain said that the earthquake would be a confirmation

that the Lord had a strategic purpose for the Vineyard

Movement. The first earthquake took place in Pasadena on

the day Cain arrived. He left Anaheim on December 7.

The Soviet-Armenian earthquake occurred on December

8.[25]



Another reason that Paul Cain is highly regarded as a "Terror

of the Lord" could be the reported power surges of electricity that

occur at places where he ministers. On one occasion in a church a

tremendous surge of electrical power blew out circuits and set off

fire alarms. The fire department responded, only to find that

there was no fire, just a "prophetic meeting!" In Anaheim,

California, even a battery operated video camera was short

circuited, and the telephone systems were "blown out!" People have

attributed this to the "heavy prophetic anointing" on Paul Cain,

but does this sound like the Holy Spirit moving to you?



Not every manifestation is heavy or frightening as Clifford

Hill points out in his review of Some Said It Thundered a

book defending the Kansas City Prophets.



The main body of this book is an account of story after

story of what I believe are best described as "paranormal

experiences," such as the following telephone

conversation between Paul Cain...and Mike Bickle. After

the opening greetings Paul Cain said, "Why Mike, you've

got a bit of a sniffle and you are all wet. Your hair is

standing up on the left side of your head." Bickle

called his wife, Diana, to look at him. "Sweetheart,

Paul says I have a sniffle, I am all wet, and my hair is

standing up on one side. Am I all wet?" "Yes," she

said, "You've just come out of the shower." "And is my

hair standing up on one side?" "Yes," she replied, "on

the left side!" Paul Cain calls these strange

experiences little tokens that the line is still open

with the Lord." (Page 29). Why would the Lord Almighty,

maker of heaven and earth give divine revelation to a

prophet that his pastor had just taken a shower? This

kind of trivialization of prophecy does immense harm and

causes confusion among the spiritually immature."[26]



The New Breed, Joel's Army



As I said earlier, one of Paul Cain's major messages seems to

be that there is coming a new breed in the church, of overcomers.

It is this company of end times people that the prophets have

eagerly anticipated.



This army is also in the New Testament. It's referred to

as "the manchild." I know some of you are going to

disagree with this...Rev 12:25...Here it is this great

army in the New Testament is the manchild. Rev 12:5, the

overcomers Rev 2 and 3, the 144,000 servants, Rev 7:3,

the bride or the lamb's wife, Rev 19:7 and 21:9, and the

white horse, Rev 6:2, the first fruits, Rev 14:4, the

precious fruits James 5:7, the wise virgins, Matt

25:1-13, the Manifested Sons of God, Rom 8:19-23 and it's

certainly a remarkable fact that none of these names are

expressions applied to the saints of God or at any other

time in history. But, all of them are in their context

and promises showing undeniably that they belong to the

end of time...To this present generation, Matt

24:34...and God wants us to realize once again in closing

that there's going to be a great company of overcomers

prepared for this mighty ministry which I call the prize

of all the ages. And again, God's offering to the

believers of this generation a greater privilege than was

ever offered to any people of any generation at any time

from ADAM clear down through the end of the

millennium.[27]



Manifested Sons of God?



Rom 8:19 For the earnest expectation of the creature

waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.



Unlike many others who espouse this doctrine, Paul Cain

doesn't seem to balk at admitting to be a proponent of the

Manifested Sons of God doctrine. The only problem that he seems to

have with it is people trying to manifest their sonship

presumptuously.



There will be a manifestation of the sons of God. And it

won't be this baloney that we've heard of in the past; I

mean there's been a few people tried to walk through a

wall like this one over here and knocked their brain

loose, but that's not what I'm talking about. I'm

talking about a true manifested son of God; if anyone

walks through this wall, over here, they're not going to

tell you about it, I mean, they're just going to do it.

And sons of God don't tell you they're sons of God,

they'll just show you! Amen![28]



Romans 8:17 is the scriptural point at which the Manifested

Sons of God proponents leap into error. The scripture teaches that

the whole of creation indeed does await the time of manifestation

of the sons of God, (ie the glorification of the saints, the final

resurrection). The contention is that we believe we shall be

glorified after the return of Jesus Christ bodily. It is then that

He, Jesus, will put death underneath His feet. Manifested Sons of

God teaches that there will be a company of supersaints who will be

glorified and immortalized, before the bodily return of Jesus, and

that we, the glorified, corporate Christ, will be the ones who put

death under our feet. They also believe that only after that

happens can Jesus return bodily. Clifford Hill summarizes it

nicely in his Prophecy Today publication.



The opportunity of joining the "new breed" an elite group

of believers endowed with supernatural power that would

enable them to be a part of the army of dread warriors

that God was said to be raising up in our generation.

According to John Wimber this is a type of "Joel's Army"

who will overcome all opposition to the gospel and

eventually subdue the nations. This teaching is part of

what is known as "dominion theology," which teaches that

an elite army of overcomers will either destroy or subdue

all the enemies of Christ until they eventually gain

power and authority throughout the world. The government

of the nations will be upon their shoulders and when all

the secular authorities, governments, princes and kings

have finally submitted to them, Christ will return and

they will present the kingdom to Him.[29]



This is the theology that has been promoted by the Kansas City

Prophets and their followers. As I have said earlier, it is a

theology that emphasizes man in the place of Christ. The

"corporate Christ" is still the church, not Christ. It is Jesus

Christ who has destroyed death and will ultimately put it under His

feet, we don't do it for Him.



The Challenge



In January, 1990, Ernie Gruen a Charismatic pastor in Kansas

City for 27 years, of the Full Faith Church of Love, released a 233

page document listing erroneous prophecies, statements, doctrines,

and incidents involving the Kansas City Prophets. "He accused KCF

of sending out false prophets; of prophesying area churches to

close down (and then join KCF) and of outright lying."[30]



As an example of the kind of "prophetic" response to these

charges, here is an excerpt from Rick Joyner's Morningstar.



KCF is just one of many new streams starting to flow in

the body of Christ, each of which is destined to receive

furious and unrelenting attacks for a season, much of

which will come from those who may have a great influence

on the church but have long ago lost the anointing.[31]



Do you see how the Berean spirit is being strangled here?

When someone does raise some valid, specific criticism, "Well, it

must be jealousy, they have a Saul spirit and don't like our "David

Movement." " One of most insidious and blinding concepts to come

to the church lately is the idea that all criticism is personal.

This idea is amplified by the emphasis on people who have the

Jezebel Spirit, fault finding spirit, or that old standby, the

accuser of the brethren! The whole idea deflects people's

attention away from the issues of false, destructive doctrine and

ministry to personality, "hurt," so called division and phony

humility.



Gruen and Bickle were headed toward a resolution of their

differences by a meeting of the Network of Christian Ministries,

which was supposed to occur in July of 1990. But, in May, John

Wimber stepped into the situation, offering himself and the

Vineyard Movement as a "covering" to KCF and the prophets.



Wimber acknowledged that there were indeed "excesses" at

KCF. In a letter to Gruen, Wimber promised to address

the errors and declared, "I am satisfied that we will not

see these problems arising again in the future." The

meeting with the NCM leaders was called off.[32]



Why? Didn't the errors still need to be examined, discussed,

rejected or corrected? Shouldn't the Pentecostals at least have

insisted on the opportunity to publicly, formally renounce these

heresies? By sweeping the problem into the "Vineyard House" and

not openly exposing and standing against it, we have sown the wind

and are reaping the whirlwind! It was probably a great relief to

everyone that Wimber's action saved us from another controversy,

but what's the matter with controversy? Wimber did offer some

correction and guidelines and I appreciate him for it, but for the

most part the Kansas City Prophets rolled right along. The

erroneous teachings were made available through the Vineyard

Catalogs. Bob Jones was asked to "limit his public ministry,"

instead of being rejected from public or private ministry. John

Paul Jackson (See our appendix of KCF Quotes), a blatantly false

prophet was shipped out to California to minister there with

Wimber. Paul Cain is in England now. Mike Bickle is a popular

author, pastor and widely accepted Charismatic leader. Bickle, in

looking back to 1990, told Charisma that he has learned four

lessons from the experience.



1. "We had an elite spirit. That's become more and

more real to me -- it's so repulsive."

2. "We promoted mystical experience in a

disproportionate way and it was disastrous."

3. "We were careless in the way we communicated

prophetic words. This was hurtful in a lot of cases."

4. "We were wrong in the way we promoted the city

church concept. I still believe in it, but now I believe

it's a unity based on friendship."[33]



That's good, but weren't any of the prophecies, prophets, or

mystical experiences blatantly false? What about false teaching?

Do you still believe in the city wide church? Should Bob Jones

have been renounced as a false prophet?



In all fairness, KCF and Vineyard Church did release a list of

errors they had discovered and were correcting.



Lack of accountability for prophecies that do not come true or

do not bear witness to the person receiving the ministry.



The attempt by some prophetic ministers to establish doctrine

or practice by revelation alone, apart from clear biblical support.



Dogmatic assertions in delivery of prophetic words.



Revealing negative prophetic words in public without first

confronting the individual.



Giving prophetic words that affect a movement or church without

going first to the appropriate levels of authority.



The use of prophetic gifting for controlling purposes.



Manifesting an attitude of superiority through the possession

of a secret body of information. Amos 3:7 is true surely the

sovereign Lord does nothing without revealing His plan to His

servants the prophets. But the prophetic people are not to wear

a garment of pride because of this knowledge.[34]



In 1991, Jones finally did have his messages pulled from the

Vineyard Tape Catalog, after confessing to a moral failure. He is

still cited as a credible prophet by many within the "prophetic

movement," including many of those associated with the Toronto

Blessing.


In conclusion, there is a severe judgment for following and

supporting false prophets. I believe it was the acceptance and

"covering" of these "prophets" that immediately accelerated this

revival of spiritual drunkenness.

Buzzardhut
January 2nd, 2008, 06:48 AM
KCF, Doctrine, and the Word of God (http://www.intotruth.org/kcp/kcp-wineskins.html)

Those involved in this resurgence of the Latter Rain Movement have had years to hand-tool answers to critics. Those who hold to this mystical mindset have studied the mistakes made by and criticisms made of the early adherents of the movement. They now seek to be more moderate in their attempts to propagate their theology. Thus, the attacks on historic biblical doctrine are more subtle than those of five decades ago. Those attacks, however, are still there and are still dangerous.

KCF uses a back-door approach to promoting its message.

Historically, godly men illumined by the Holy Spirit studied the Bible inductively, discovered what it taught on a particular truth, and proclaimed that truth as doctrine.

KCF, on the other hand, first establishes a person or persons in a position of apostolic or prophetic authority. These men are touted as receiving direct revelation from God.

KCF says "The end time ministries also must have this, the ability to impart revelation of Jesus to the body." [15]

Then the prophets proclaim messages designed to cast doubt on the ability of believers to understand doctrine they have been taught. This line of authority also subtly plays down Scripture's importance.

KCF and Grace Ministries want to be known as people of the Bible. The Grace Ministries Statement of Faith declares:

"We believe that these 66 books are fully inspired, accurate, and reliable with regard to all matters of faith and conduct as they were originally written. We hold to the Biblical Scriptures as the plumbline for all that we do and believe." [16]

KCF no doubt is sincere in the above statement. However, its interpretation of Scripture is most often viewed through the spectacles of apostolic and prophetic authority. The dreams and visions of the two main prophets of the movement (Paul Cain and Bob Jones) and others who give prophecies, always set the agenda for KCF. Scripture is then marshaled to buttress these revelations. Also, when the Bible contradicts KCF teaching, it is dismissed or reinterpreted according to the authority line. For example:

Deuteronomy 18:20 gives a strict penalty for prophets who speak in the name of the Lord, but whose prophecy does not come to pass, or if they speak in the name of other gods.

"But if a prophet who presumes to speak in my name anything I have not commanded him to say, or a prophet who speaks in the name of other gods, must be put to death." [NIV] Verse 22 says "...one can know when a prophet speaks presumptuously for what he has said will not come to pass."

However, Joyner writes:

"One of the greatest hazards affecting maturing prophets is the erroneous interpretation of the Old Testament exhortation that if a prophet ever predicted something which did not come to pass he was no longer to be considered a true prophet (see Deut. 18:20- 22). The warning was that if this happened, the prophet had been presumptuous and the people were not to fear him. If one pre- dicts something in the name of the Lord and it does not come to pass, he probably has spoken presumptuously and needs to be repented of, but that does not make him a false prophet. No one could step out in the faith required to walk in his calling if he knew that a single mistake would ruin him for life." (emphasis added) [17]

Not only does Joyner contradict Scripture, but writes in the same article that prophets who are less than 100 percent accurate are a blessing from God to the church! "Bob (Jones) was told that the general level of prophetic revelation in the church was about 65% accurate at this time. Some are only about 10% accurate, a very few of the most mature prophets are approaching 85% to 95% accuracy. Prophecy is increasing in purity, but there is still a long way to go for those who walk in this ministry. This is actually grace for the church now, because 100% accuracy in this ministry will bring a level of accountability to the church which she is too immature to bear at this time; it would result in too many 'Ananias and Sapphiras.' That so many the (sic) prophetic ministries are still missing so much is also meant to work humility and wisdom in them so that they will be able to handle the authority and power coming in the near future." [18]

The repercussion of this type of thinking is that the words of those in the authority line become more important than Scripture.

It then becomes necessary to have the authority line to understand what the Bible is really teaching, and what the Lord is doing in these "end times."

For example, it seems that God is going to be working in the church through the realm of the supernatural to a degree that He has never done before. And there's no use trying to evaluate events using the Bible, because this is going to be something totally new! Bickle writes:

"There is a dimension that is coming, and now is, that we have no frame of reference for and most of us think that we do."

"... and they (apostles, prophets) do things that you have no frame of reference for understanding because, believe me, what's going to be coming down in the next twenty years you and I have no frame of reference for understanding. It is going to be so unusual you are not going to be able to look at the word for every manifestation and find one there because the Spirit of the Lord has so many manifestations that you and I know nothing about."[19] So, God is going to be dealing with His Church outside of His Word to us. Statements of faith notwithstanding, this sets the stage for extrabiblical revelation. Without the ability to appeal to the Bible's authority, the stage is also set for the institution of false doctrine.

Not only is a low view of Scripture taken, but also a low view of believers' ability to understand what He has revealed to us in His word. Bickle continues:

"At this point in time, because of the pride of the church (just like the scribes and the Pharisees) we have such a sense that we understand....when we are not even the beginning of novices." We have "...the church with absolutely no insight, judging the works of God with no understanding and missing out on the works of God." "If the spirit of fear is given enough witness, the Spirit of God will leave completely. ... The reasoning and the debate of the western world in all of their presupposed knowledge of what God does and doesn't do is its going to be a miracle for the Lord to use someone that's been in the Kingdom over five years. ...Its no accident that throughout the visitations of history it was always a few (in the church) and the multitudes were all the new converts because the majority of the church could not swallow the new thing coming, because they were wise in their own understanding. Great heroes of the church were ostracized by the church. The church needs an abandonment that says we really don't know anything about the realm of the spirit. We must have lowliness of mind." [20]

Evidently, this "lowliness of mind" spoken of means that we must be willing to throw out all we have learned of God up to now and put ourselves in the authority line to be in on this new move of God, the authentic Latter Rain.
KCF, The New Latter Rain

As did the Latter Rain adherents of the 1940s, so does KCF advocate the restoration to the Church what is called "the fivefold ministry" specified in Ephesians 4:11 as: apostles, prophets, evangelists, pastors, and teachers. While we have had evangelists, pastors, and teachers down through church history, KCF claims apostles and prophets have been minimized. Now they teach that God is restoring these two offices to prominence and bringing the other three up to His standards. Joyner writes:

"To be distinguished from the stumbling blocks, a great company of prophets, teachers, pastors and apostles will be raised up with the spirit of Phineas. ...Conferences of apostles, prophets, pastors, elders, etc. will be called and used greatly by the Lord, but without denominating and separating from the rest of the body." [21]

"In Ephesians 4:11-13, Paul said the five ministries of verse 11 would function until the church was filled with the knowledge of the Son of God." [22]

What Bickle means by "filled with the knowledge of the Son of God" is a perfected church, a church without "spot or wrinkle. This many-membered corporate body (corporate man) will take dominion over (conquer) the Earth for ultimate presentation to Christ at his second coming. [23]

The beliefs generated by the above statements firmly establish KCF's tie to the Latter Rain doctrine of Dominionism. This should not be confused with the dominionism of the Christian Reconstruction groups. While there are similarities between the two views, there are also significant differences. Implicit in the Latter Rain version of dominionism is the belief in the manifestation of the sons of God

The leading prophetic luminary of KCF, Paul Cain is unashamedly linked with the Latter Rain Movement: "Paul is now 60 years old and has been a part of the Latter Rain Movement, the Healing Revival and the Charismatic Movement." [24] The other members of KCF's leadership agree with Latter Rain precepts.

While some of these precepts are presented in updated terminology and packaged for contemporary audiences, the doctrines are the same.
The Manifestation Scenario

One of the Latter Rain Movement's more heretical legacies is the doctrine of the Manifest Sons (MSOG). This doctrine blurs the person and work of Jesus Christ and the mission of the church. The doctrine can be summarized in this manner:

As human history winds down, God will restore the offices of apostles and prophets to a weak and suffering church. Through these offices the church will be called to repentance and divine revelations given with the agenda for the end time corporate body.

As God begins to restore the church to its true position of power (signs, wonders, and miracles), many will leave their denominational affiliations. (Denominations are almost always associated with Babylon, and are bastions of false doctrine) Once out of these groups and under the authority of apostolic ministries, believers will begin to be perfected. They will throw off the confusion of Babylon and will become mature in the Lord. As maturity increases so will unity in the Body. The ultimate outcome will be a generation of believers who have matured into the full stature of Christ.

Then the sons of God will be fully manifested on the Earth. At this time widespread spiritual warfare will erupt with the sons of God battling Satan and his demons. As Joel's Army defeats the legions of Hell in battle after battle, the unbelieving nations of the world will also be conquered. Once the Earth has been subdued, then God will allow Jesus (who has been held in the heavens awaiting the outcome of the war) to return and receive the Kingdom that has been won for him by this "Manchild Company."

The doctrine teaches that these Sons will be equal to Jesus Christ in every way. They will be immortal, sinless, perfected sons who have partaken of the divine nature. They have every right to be called gods, and there are. (there is a general reluctance to use the capital "G", but the impact is the same).

One of the more popular books among Manifest Sons advocates is Bill Britton's Jesus The Pattern Son. In it Britton writes that Jesus was the "Firstfruits among many brethren" and the pattern for many more "sons" to come. In other words, what Jesus was by birth (the Son of God) all believers can become by adoption (sons of God). The identification is total with Manifest Sons. Jesus the Pattern Son was the Anointed One, the Christ. This special group of overcomers, the Manchild Company, are also anointed ones, they are also Christ!
KCF and Manifest Sons

Many of the old line Manifest Sons groups teach that the manifestation has already taken place. KCF, however, teaches that this is yet to come. Cain writes:

"Now I know when that which is perfect is come, that which is imperfect must be done away. But, anyone knows that which is perfect is not come. And we don't have the full revelation, we haven't grown up in the stature of Christ as we should. And there is no manifestation on a wholesale basis of the Sons of God. And, I'm not afraid to mention that even though I get shot down everywhere I go every time I mention the manifestation of the Sons of God. And I'm not afraid to mention any biblical, scriptural terminology." [25]

Cain's criticism of the MS Doctrine that has been making the rounds in Charismatic circles for years is not that it is unscriptural. It is just that believers have been trying to enter into sonship before God's appointed time. [26]

Further direction is given by KCF's other prophetic authority, Bob Jones,

"The last day church is being birthed now out of the old church, and the old leadership is coming to an end and the new young leadership is being raised up to reign over an end time church that will bring forth the Bride. Your children (my bank account) my grandchildren, will be the Bride. You've got to have the church first in the right foundation. That's what he (Jesus) said. 'Come back and touch those that will be the right foundation'." [27]

Known even among members of KCF for his strange visions (though still not doubted), Jones gives this scenario for the preparation of the coming manifestation.

"I went and I seen the Lord, and it was like he was looking at little yellow things; little round yellow things like a Spirit of God Itself. And there were billions of them. And it was like Him and all the angels were looking through these and every once in awhile they'd say, 'Hey, here's an end time one; get it down here on the end. Here's another good one!'

I said, 'What are you doing?'

He said, 'Oh, we're collecting those who are foreknown and predestinated for the end times, for you see, they'll be the best of all the seed that's ever been. And we're looking through the seeds and they'll be your grandkids. This will be the end generation that is foreknown and predestinated to inherit all things. And these will be like grandchildren to you -- even those that you minister to won't be this generation; their grandchildren will be.

You are to write into their minds as they write into the children's minds. You're to bring them to a place to allow My Spirit to rule in their life where they can begin to set the church on the proper foundations, as they will. They'll birth the church, but their children will attain levels of the Holy Spirit that they will not.

Although their parents will reign over them and be the leaders of the last day church, their children will possess the Spirit without measure. For they are the best of all generations that have ever been upon the face of the earth. And the best of all generations are those elected seeds that will glorify Christ in the last days.

That's the purpose so that Jesus in the last days has the seeds that will glorify Him above any generation that has ever been upon the face of the earth. They will move into things of the supernatural that no one has ever moved in before. Every miracle, sign and wonder that has ever been in the Bible, they'll move in it consistently. They'll move in the power that Christ did. Every sign and wonder and wonder that's ever been will be many times in the last days. They themselves will be that generation that's raised up to put death itself underneath their feet and to glorify Christ in every way.

And the church that is raising up in the government will be the head and the covering for them. So that the glorious church might be revealed in the last days because the Lord Jesus is worthy to be lifted up by a church that has reached the full maturity of the God-Man!" [28]

Please note that it is Jones who will "bring them to a place to allow My Spirit to rule in their life where they can begin to see the church on the proper foundations. ..." We again see the line of authority mentioned earlier.

Bickle tries to put a positive spin on these teachings on his tape, Glory and Dominion of Sonship, but doesn't quite pull it off.

Bickle begins by stating that he doesn't think "that there is anything higher than the revelation that what a Son of God is." And because this revelation is so lofty, the "religious" mindset will not understand it.

"The religious mind will always call this heresy. When the religious mind comes in contact with the revelation of what a Son of God is they will always say it is not right because it's too high."

After paralleling Hebrews chapters 1 and 2 with Psalm 8 and Genesis 1:26 to establish that men have total dominion over the Earth, Bickle starts building a case for elevating mankind. Bickle believes that the average Christian's view of man is so low that it offends God.

"But, through His Word, He has given us a revelation of what he intends us to be; Sons of God in the full sense of the word. And we begin to raise our understanding of what its all about".

Then comes a lengthy exposition of John 10:31-39 of how Jesus reveals to the religious community that it is permissible (based on Psalm 82:6) for men to call themselves gods. "God said that these people were to act as God. Now, you can get kind of off base and a lot of cults would use this passage and get off base in many many wrong ways. I don't think we're gods in any weird sense of the word, but God has created and redeemed men to be gods, small "g", only by this definition -- that nothing in creation was to be over you. Everything besides God Himself was to be under you and that alone would constitute man being a god".

Then Bickle explains what he means by not being gods in "any weird sense of the word",

"Now, don't be afraid, we don't worship gods like that. We're not equal to Jesus Christ. We're not deity. We're not worshiped. We have no authority to initiate the things that only God can initiate because He alone is the head of the body, Jesus Christ says."

However, after this qualification, Bickle returns to the terminology of Manifest Sons doctrine:

"My conviction is that one of the greatest transformations is when you begin to get the revelation that you are a Son of God. ... God intends us to be like gods, he intends us to be like the Son of God. ... God has conceived in His heart of a plan to make a race of men that would live like gods on the Earth. He has conceived in His heart to have Sons that would live like His Son, the Lord Jesus lived. ... That we were to be on earth the extension and manifestation of God's life in heaven."

After these statements he again tries to prepare his listeners for opposition,

"When a person comes up and declares what Sonship is about, the religious community comes up and says 'blasphemy!' That's what they did to Jesus."

Despite the disclaimer that the gods that certain believers are to become are in no way related to cultic concepts, Bickle clearly uses unscriptural terminology and logic to teach Manifest Sons doctrine. When you combine his statements with those of the two recognized prophetic voices of the movement, the "old wine" of the Latter Rain Manifest Sons of God teaching is unmistakable. [29]
KCF, City Churches, and Dominion Theology

The prophetic voices of KCF are promising the restoration of full spiritual power to the church. They have announced that we will see this new church come into perfection and total unity. It is to be "birthed" out of the one that now exists. As this new body matures and becomes more unified, there will be a redefinition of what true Christianity is. Bickle writes:

"I believe that God is going to allow us to see and to even partake in this restoration -- this is a major statement and I want you to pay attention closely -- to the restoration of the New Testament Standard... I believe that God is going to renovate the entire understanding of what Christianity is in the nations of the Earth. I believe that the way that 99% of us across the world as believers understand Christianity, in 20 years there will be a totally different understanding of what Christianity is from what it is right now. I believe the understanding of it, the standard of life and the expression of Christianity as we know it, I believe God is going to restore it and change it in the Earth in this generation." [30]

Bickle then explains that this mission is to be accomplished through the development of Apostolic City Churches. By apostolic he means: "churches in the full power of the Spirit of God." [31]

God, through mighty works of miracles, signs, and wonders, is going to use the city churches and the apostles and prophets to disciple the nations. KCF, of course, is going to be used of God to establish these.

"That is the will of God for this body of believers to establish anywhere from 20 to 30 or 40 (I have no idea the number, but its a large number) of city churches in the nations of the Earth to make impact on the rulers and kings and people of those nations right from this body of believers. ... I believe Jesus meant we shall disciple the nations. He meant it and He will not come back until it happens. ... Nations will be discipled by the fruit of the ministry that comes forth from this people here ... by people sitting in this room!" [32]

KCF maintains that their idea of City Churches is scriptural, "The New Testament pattern is for there to be one church in a city with many congregations yet one unified eldership governing it." [33] And since these City Churches will be established by "this body of believers," then it follows logically that the unified eldership will be centered around KCF's particular doctrine. In other words, to come into maturity, to come into unity, means to accept the line of authority that KCF has established!

Jones says:

"There has to be a bunch of full-time leaders joined and the lay leaders have got to be ready, and a lot of them are going to be released after that time of visitation. And they have to be unified; they have to have affection for one another; they have to be grounded in unity around the principles that God has given us, and we have to be in divine order with our place in God's divine order." [34]

And what will happen to those who do not wish to unify and come under this eldership? "Some pastors and leaders who continue to resist this tide of unity will be removed from their place. Some will be so hardened that they will become opposers and resist God to the end." [35]

So, KCF teaches that God, through the restoration of apostolic and prophetic authority, is going to use KCF to establish city churches with unified elders. These City Churches are the frame- work that God will further use to bring a new definition of true Christianity. This work will grow, become more mature until it "come(s) to a place of the maturity that equals the stature of the fullness of Christ." [36] The restored, perfected city church ("the expression of the maturity of Jesus Christ in a given region." [37]) will then disciple the nations of the earth with the intention of rendering the kingdom of God on the Earth a fit presentation to a then returning Jesus Christ.

This is the classic Latter Rain version of the Dominion Mandate.
KCF, Cross-Pollinization, and Vineyard Ministries

KCF has what it calls a program of "Cross-pollinization" with like-minded ministries. The ministry team "agreed that God purposefully left our team deficient in many areas so we should need other parts of the Body of Christ. ... Every ministry in the Church needs other ministries." Because of this, "We regularly fellowship with ministry teams from a variety of backgrounds and denominations. We call this 'cross- pollination.'" [38]

While on the one hand this appears to be an innocent desire to benefit from the experience and knowledge of other ministries, some critics see this as just another way to infiltrate and gain control of existing churches.

According to Ernie Gruen, a local Kansas City pastor, KCF has demonstrated an agenda of absorbing existing congregations. "... this is where they began to prophesy that churches should close and be part of their ministry. They did it three times that I can document but actually more than that. Sermons were preached on how you know when to close a church. And then, they had a prophet along that said, 'You're to close your church down and all become part of KCF.'" [39]

Bickle answered the accusations made by Gruen in a letter dated Jan. 22, 1990: "After hearing your tape, I'm sure you do not understand our structure, the way several groups have joined us, nor the nature of our prophetic ministries." [40] However, Gruen's statement matches statements made above as well as a chronology of the beginning of Olathe Christian Fellowship (a branch of KCF) given in the Kansas City Fellowship Reports dated February and April 1987.

In January 1987 Bickle announced a "Sovereign Calling" that God had given to establish Olathe Christian Fellowship (OCF). At that meeting " Another priority was to review the history of how God called two churches in Olathe, Olathe Fellowship and Christ Community Fellowship (CCF) to die to enable a new work, Olathe Christian Fellowship, to be raised up." [41]

The pastors of these small churches came into association with Bickle in the early 1980s. By 1985, Larry Fry, pastor of CCF, and Wes Adams, pastor of OF, began to hear God saying that they should merge their respective churches but it did not happen. Then "In 1986, God sovereignly resurrected it and showed us both independently of one another, that God's way was for us to submit our two congregations to Mike Bickle in order to establish one new church. God confirmed this by strong prophetic words through John Paul Jackson and others". [42]

"September 14, 1986: Wes and Larry announce to their churches that they have been called to die as individual fellowships. They inform their churches that they will be submitting themselves to the leadership of Mike and the Church Planting Team for the purpose of beginning a new work in the city of Olathe." [43]

Due to its strong stance on supernatural signs and wonders, it should come as no surprise that KCF has "cross-pollinated" with the Vineyard Movement of John Wimber. Wimber came under the influence of Paul Cain in mid-1987 when Cain prophesied over problems that existed in the Vineyard Ministry. Then in December of that year Cain was invited to address the leadership of that movement in Anaheim, Calif.

"When asked if God might grant a sign to confirm that the message that he would bring this time was truly from heaven, Cain replied, 'The day I arrive, there will be an earthquake in your city, and the word of the Lord to you will be Jeremiah 33:8.' At 3:38 on the day Cain arrived, the earth shook in Anaheim. After that, he had Wimber's full attention." [44]

Not only has Wimber given Cain his full attention, he has given him an increasingly growing platform. "In addition to his fathering relationship to KCF, Paul has come into a deep friendship and working relationship with John Wimber. ... Paul has made a special commitment to traveling with John and to support the vision that God is currently unfolding to him." [45]

The question is, who is supporting whom? Which one is having the most influence over the other? The answer is evident:

"A year ago John (Wimber) started taking down the fence separating the Vineyard from the rest of the church. Last year John allowed two people who were not Vineyard people to speak at the Spiritual Warfare Conference (Cain and Bickle). This year there were only two Vineyard people speaking at the conference (John and Jack Deere)". [46]

It is also clear that Wimber has bought Cain's Latter Rain theology:

"I think that what God is doing is raising up a New Breed of leaders. And, I believe that He is inviting us in this room to participate in that New Breed."

"Now that's a term you've become familiar with this week. It's been prophesied by Paul Cain; and I think its a very important Concept."

"And, I believe the Church of Jesus Christ that we're part of -- the larger Body of Christ the world over -- has been weighed and judged in this generation. And that instead of learning from our predecessors from the Latter Day Rain Movement, from any number of movements of God that have occurred in this century, we have allowed the enemy to come in and detract and take away the passion of God and rob it out of our lives." [47]

Is the Wineskin Leaking?

The question of influence has become a very important one. According to Charisma and Christian Life Magazine [48], KCF has officially joined the association of Vineyard Churches.

"KCF pastor Mike Bickle says the move follows a one-year period during which the church and he were under John Wimber's oversight." [49]

This move comes at a time when KCF has come under increasing criticism from both the Charismatic and non-Charismatic communities. There have been charges of false doctrine, false prophecies, and even occultic practices.

"A litany of specific charges has been distributed by some Christians in the Kansas City area. ... Bickle said the matters on the list were addressed years ago, acknowledging that some mistakes were made in the way the prophetic words were ministered. But he denied the use of occultic practices". [50]

One has to ask at this point if KCF joined Vineyard to seek counsel from an established national ministry, or was it looking to legitimize its doctrines in a time of severe criticism? It appears that the latter is true;

"Wimber and a team of Vineyard pastors and seminarians have examined the teachings of KCF. They concluded that Jones has made some 'unwise, but not unbiblical' statements and needed to be disciplined, but that the practices of KCF are sound and Biblical." [51]

However, the article goes on: "Recently new charges were added.

It has been said that Bickle, Jones and KCF are not in line with orthodox Christianity. Bickle said he had submitted the entire process to Wimber, who would consider the new accusations." [52]

One would hope that serious and prayerful study would be given to all of the documentation for the "new accusations" before any pronouncement is given.

Finally, "By joining the Vineyard, KCF links up with a national authority network. They will report to regional and national Vineyard directors. But the Anaheim, California-based Vineyard allows its churches to operate autonomously in most other areas. KCF will change its name to Vineyard." [53]

It remains to be seen whether KCF (now Vineyard) will recant the heterodox doctrines of the Latter Rain Movement and repudiate the validity its "prophetic line of authority", or if it will carry the already controversial Vineyard Ministries into that line. As they say on the evening news, "Stay tuned folks, this story is just beginning to break!

Buzzardhut
January 2nd, 2008, 06:52 AM
Charismatics follow the wind, this way and that (http://www.christiandoctrine.net/doctrine/articles/article_00093_the_kansas_city_prophets_web.htm). They love something novel, especially if it has the atmosphere of scripture about it, as though to legitimise it. Only those lacking in true Christian discernment and Bible knowledge - and those who arrogantly want some kind of 'super-Christian' status - can possibly fall for the lies of charismaticism. One of the novelties is known as the Kansas City Prophet (KCP) movement. Along with others, the KCP dramatically affected charismaticism, and has its place in the history of the notorious Toronto Blessing.

Major figures in the KCP are Paul Cain, Bob Jones and Mike Bickle. A storm of controversy surrounded the KCP in the 1980's and 1990's, but it died down when John Wimber foolishly gave them the 'covering' (approval and spiritual umbrella) of the Vineyard church Movement. The result of this 'covering' is that although KCP teachings have been more or less refuted by Vineyard headquarters, they are still strongly represented throughout charismaticism. This occurs even though the KCP are obviously false prophets who teach heresy.

Bob Jones was brought down by his immorality, but his false prophecies are still quoted in the Toronto Airport church (a Vineyard church until late 1995, when even Wimber had had enough of its gross excesses!). The KCP men boldly declared that they were the mouthpieces of God Himself, prefacing their so-called 'prophecies' with words like "The Lord spoke to me clearly" and "I stood face to face before the Lord" (sometimes physically)! Their prophecies contain revamped messages from other heresies, such as Manifested Sons of God, Latter Rain, etc. They are full of messages about super-Christians, total victory over Satan, the church as the 'manchild', the last days SuperChurch, and so on.

Mike Bickle

Bickle is pastor of Metro Vineyard Church of Kansas City (possibly the Vineyard title is now dropped, we do not know). It used to be known as the Kansas City Fellowship. In September 1982, when he was in Egypt, Bickle heard an audible voice of 'God'. (This followed a visit to his own church that year by a man named Augustine, who told him he had heard an audible message telling him to prophesy to Bickle's church).

This voice told Bickle: "I am inviting you to raise up a work that will touch the ends of the earth. I have invited many people to do this thing, and many people have said 'yes', but very few have done my will." This was supposed to be God talking! It makes God out to be a roaming drop-out, searching fruitlessly for someone to do something for him!! It makes Him out to be ineffectual and dependent on men. Needless to say, the prophecy is false and somewhat blasphemous.

In 1986, Bickle and others formed 'Grace Ministries', which has a number of different facets to its existence. For example, they demanded that all churches in one area should come under one leadership. Thus all pastors must be united. This theme is being seen today after the Toronto aftermath - a false unity at all costs, to show that the Church is powerful! In my home city, for example, such a group is called 'Churches Together for Truth'. In reality, it is a mish-mash of hopeless failure churches, led by men who do not know true doctrine from false, and who led their congregations into the Toronto Blessing with intensity and wanton lack of integrity. They are also ecumenical, not knowing the True Church from the false church.

Another facet is Shiloh Ministries, a community where prophets lived together, shared their various utterances, gave conferences and trained other 'prophets'. Paul Cain, its head, was trained by William Branham, one who was greatly influenced by spiritualistic practices and teachings.

Bob Jones

Jones was called the 'Resident Seer' of KCP's ministries. He teaches false doctrine, false prophecies and visions, occult dreams and 'revelations'. At one time he was in a mental hospital, where, he claims, he was visited by demons regularly. Sadly, they do not appear to have left him! Whilst there, he claims that Jesus came to him and told him that to get his mind back he must either kill OR forgive twelve people he hated - and this man is revered as a 'prophet' of God!!

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e also had a visit from an angelic guide (whose description is that of a familiar spirit) called 'Dominus', who turned out to be Jesus Christ Himself! Jones also had out of body experiences - an occult phenomenon. Dominus and Jones once sat above the KCP building in rocking chairs, looking down and holding hands! People follow this man - are they serious, or are they equally demon possessed? The catalogue of heresy and spiritualistic statements made by this man is vast. God even stands before him every Day of Atonement and chats to him, face to face!

Another heresy promoted by Jones is the 'New Breed, New Seed' idea. These will be last days overcomers, powerful and unique. They will come from the 'bloodlines' of people like Paul, James and John. These powerful people will 'move in' signs and wonders constantly and will be just like Christ. These are the 'Manifested Sons of God'. The new seed will even put death under their feet.

None of this rubbish has ever been renounced, and it is still being taught in Pentecostal/charismatic circles today. Many of Jones' prophecies are said to have been fulfilled in the Toronto movement. In one prophecy, Jones said there would come a 'civil war', between those who did everything the 'spirit' told them to do (i.e. Toronto) and those who were 'bound in their minds' (i.e. tested the spirits by scripture).

Paul Cain

Cain features in the life of Evangelical Alliance leader, Clive Calver - and Calver has never repudiated or renounced his connection. Jones calls Cain the 'most anointed prophet in the world today'. Coming from a man whose friends are demons, we should not place much credence on his recommendation! Cain's mother was suffering from four major problems when she gave birth to him. But an 'angel' came to her and said she would give birth to a male, whose name would be Paul, because he would preach just like the apostle Paul. At age eight, Cain began to have visits from Christ and God. In this, he is typically mediumistic.

At age 19, he had a visit from an angel holding a sword and pointing to a billboard! On the billboard was a message: "Joel's army now in training." Cain asked 'the Lord' what it meant, and the 'Lord' took him through the book of Joel, showing him that the church of the last days was 'Joel's Army' - the New Breed of Super Christians. They will be invincible, powerful, and will take the whole world for Christ (even though scripture says the opposite will happen). They will be fully unified and even divine-like. This is Latter Rain and Manifested Sons of God teaching, some of which suggests that we can become sinless on this earth, in spite of scriptural teaching to the contrary!

Cain began to tell people minute details of their lives - another spiritualistic faculty, and 'God' told Cain's associates to serve Cain all the days of his life! In places where he speaks there are often electrical power surges and even blowing of circuits, which are attributed to his 'heavy prophetic anointing'! Make no mistake - all this is the stuff of spiritualists! The same Paul Cain prayed over Clive Calver.

Cain's main message is concerning the 'New Breed' idea. Even lately, this message has been preached in the UK, to churches full of pride already. Such a message produces an even greater pomposity and pride, that they will soon become super-leaders of a brave new world, leading everyone to God with unlimited power. Some even claim they will BE gods. This is but an outline of the strange but occult world of the KCP's - and it is these same KCP's who dominate Toronto movement teaching and charismatic churches.

Pre-Toronto Warning

Clifford Hill of 'Prophecy Today' reviewed a book by David Pytches, published in 1990 ('Some Said It Thundered', Hodders). The review (Vol. 6; No.4) was published before the coming of the Toronto Blessing. Pytches is an Anglican bishop, who visited Toronto at the start of the TB, and who crawled and barked like a dog. He enthusiastically introduced the TB to UK churches, along with Sandy Millar of Holy Trinity, Brompton, and others. And, although Hill was originally wary of the TB, he later attended the 'Waves of the Spirit' conference held in the UK, 1996, and enthused over John Arnott (Toronto Airport Church) and thus the TB itself. The following notes are based on Hill's review.

Bishop Pytches was said to be an 'outstanding leader in the Anglican renewal movement in Britain'. Yet, he was able to produce a book praising the Kansas City Prophets, after just a short visit. So much for the man's 'outstanding' leadership! We must be frank about it - just a short examination of the KCP's is enough to show us the occult nature of their work. So, how can an 'outstanding' leader praise them and promote their work in the UK? Even after Hill warned him, Pytches went ahead and published the book. Maybe my own standard for a 'leader' is too strict - but I apply it to myself, too.

Hill hoped that his review would not seem to be 'judgmental' - but I am not sure if he means 'judging'. We are to judge these men, and speak out in the strongest, unambiguous of terms. They are men who have deliberately influenced many thousands, so there is no way we should remain silent or retiscent. And where men are occultic in their teaching, judgement is even more urgent and applicable.

Also, does Hill mean Pytches is a leader of the restoration movement when he refers to the 'renewal' movement? Or, does he mean he a leader of the charismatic movement? Either way, such leadership is open to great suspicion. It is noted that pytches did not attempt to describe true prophecy, nor did he give teaching on the subject - he merely extolled the 'virtues' of the KCP.

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ill himself says that the book contains "story after story of what I believe are best described as 'paranormal experiences'..."' We have already seen that these are really 'occult' experiences. Let me quote one such story from the review, concerning a telephone conversation between Paul Cain and Mike Bickle:

"After the opening greetings Paul Cain said: 'Why, Mike, you've got a bit of a sniffle and you are all wet. Your hair is standing up on the left side of your head.' Bickle called his wife Diana to look at him. 'Sweetheart, Paul says I have a sniffle,

I am all wet and my hair is standing up on one side. Am I all wet?' 'Yes' she said, 'You've just come out of the shower!' 'And is my hair standing up on one side?'

'Yes' she replied, 'On the left side!' Paul Cain calls these strange experiences 'little tokens that the line is still open with the Lord (p29).

Why would the Lord Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth, give divine revelation to a prophet that his pastor had just taken a shower?"

Yes, this pathetic rubbish was passed of as 'proof' of the authenticity of the KCP's! It is clearly occult, not Biblical. It is the kind of message given by a medium, not a prophet of God. And its source is so obviously demonic, I wonder how Hill can be so cautious about calling it demonic. And how an 'outstanding' leader can fall for it. The KCP's have hundreds of these stories, which they claim are based on God's work. They are frauds, not God's mouthpieces.

Hill warns readers of his magazine not to copy the things found in the book. Quite rightly. He calls the incidents dangerous - and so they are. Yet, a few years later, in 1996, he lost his way and praised John Arnott for promoting exactly the same kinds of activities, calling on us all to be lenient and understanding of the man. Hill knows very well the strong and unbroken links between the KCP's and the Toronto Blessing. So his praise is all the more peculiar.

Like many other pro-charismatics, Pytches makes no attempt at all to test the prophecies - he just accepts them all as 'genuine', even though they are so blatantly occult. This was a feature of the Toronto Blessing - all kinds of 'teachings' and prophecies were made, none of which were tested by scripture, or by any other means. Everything done was accepted without question. Why? Because of the way the KCP's had conditioned charismatics to accept their own rubbish! Accept a message about wet hair as being from God - and you will accept anything, no matter how absurd or blasphemous it is.

Also typical of charismatics is the way Pytches adulates the men of the KCP movement. There is definite idol worship in charismatic circles, as this or that prophet or teacher is held up on a pedestal...until he/she goes out of fashion and another takes his/her place.

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he whole crux of the acceptance of the KCP's is based on the accuracy of a multitude of predictions. None of them is Biblical and none of them is worthy to be called 'prophecy'...the 'shower' example is typical. There is also supernatural knowledge of people's circumstances and lives. Again, these are attributes of occultic mediums, not of God's gift of prophecy. Go to any spiritualist meeting (no - please do not attend them!), and you will hear countless statements from the speaker, as he or she gives details of people's lives. But what for? They have no real relevance to anything, and their only meaning is that someone (the medium) can tell you what you had for breakfast, or how tall your uncle was! This is the mark of demons, who want to win people to their side, by telling them something only the people concerned can know.

Once these people are convinced that the medium has such secret knowledge, they will be convinced by his 'messages', because they are accurate. When this happens, they are then 'hooked', and the medium can say whatever he or she wishes. Because the original messages were accurate, the listeners will automatically accept all other messages. This is how Satan 'hooked' gullible (or is it unbelieving?) people, that they would follow the KCP's.

Pytches did not bother to look for the 'fruit' of genuine prophecy, even though by the time the book was published the KCP's had been uncloaked as frauds! Even if we forget Jones' sexual sins, we cannot overlook the basic fact that virtually no prophecies of the KCP's were true! This has been admitted by the KCP's themselves. Yet, Pytches says they 'move on a level of accuracy' that is 'hitherto unknown'. Yes, what they say is accurate - because demons have zoned-in on them and are using them as channels for their deceptions. But that does not make them Biblical, nor does it give them relevance to the churches. To quote Pytches:

"...Paul Cain has never been known to be wrong, but (Pytches) ignores the fact that Mike Bickle himself is on record as saying, 'We don't believe everything that's said. We've been given ten thousand prophecies, and I believe there's only a small number that I've really cherished in my heart as from the Lord.' "

This is an horrific thing to admit to! A true prophet does not give wrong prophecies, nor does he tell lies from God. Bickle is telling us that virtually all of the KCP prophecies are lies! Yet Pytches (and countless charismatics) still listen to them. Some might argue that the KCP issue is now dead, but they would be wrong, for the KCP idea permeates every strand of charismatic thinking today.

I believe Hill made a flawed judgement by saying the KCP ministry was 'immature', for this suggests that it was genuine, but needed to grow. The KCP 'ministry' was not even of God, so it should have been strangled at birth. It was not 'immature' - it was fake. That was why it had the 'lack of a sound Biblical foundation'.

In 1983 Bob Jones made a 'prophecy' that there would be three months of drought. Mike Bickle said at the time

"Kansas City was known as the bread-basket of the world; it was the centre of grain farming, fanning out to a radius of five hundred miles. For the whole of June there was no rain! IT was terrible! For the whole of July there was no rain! It was terrible! No rain during the first week of August or the second or the third. It was terrible! Bob Jones said that the Lord had told him it would come on 23rd August. We had all been poised since early dawn that day, but by 1 pm there was still no rain. By six o'clock we were just resigned to wait another day when suddenly it began. And did it rain? It poured! No man could have manipulated that. It just had to be God!"

Pretty impressive, eh? But - why should God simply tell us there will be a drought, and then tell us the exact day it would end? There is no point to such a prophecy! The New Testament tell us that ALL gifts are for the edification of the Church. So how does this 'prophecy' fulfill this criterion? it does not. But, even if you say I am wrong on this point - let us look at something even more fundamental - the alleged accuracy of the prophecy.

Hill discovered, from the pastor of a charismatic church in Kansas City, that the whole prophecy is a lie! The pastor, Ernest Gruen, said there was no drought! The U.S. National Weather Bureau confirms that seven inches of rain fell on Kansas City in June 1983. It rained on 12 out of thirty days - almost half the month! On just one of those days, the rainfall was seven times the rainfall on 23rd August! So, the prophecy was a lie and a fake. What is far worse, is that Bickle afterward (that is, after knowing what really happened, and after knowing the prophecy to be false) claimed it to be true! But, even if the prediction had turned out to be competely accurate, it had no relevance whatever for either the local church or for the universal Church.

In 1990, Hill was to have spoken at an Anglican conference - but Pytches cancelled the engagement after Hill had told him he had visited Kansas City Fellowship and had found the KCP's to be wanting! That, friends, is also typical of charismatics today. Even when they KNOW something is evil or false, they go ahead with it anyway, so as to maintain their delusion. Whichever way we look at such an attitude, it can only be inspired and fuelled by Satan, whether the people involved act out of unbelief, deliberate sin, ignorance, or deception.

Pytches admits that Paul Cain had a 'special bond' with William Branham, but he does not tell readers that Branham was kicked out of the Assemblies of God for heresy! Branham was an Arian - he did not believe in the Trinity, the divinity of Christ, the Person of the Holy Spirit and many other essential basics of Christian doctrine. In my mind that makes the man a total unbeliever! And this is the man Cain revered!! Branham did not receive his healing from God, but had them through 'an angel' (in other words, a familiar spirit).

Pytches dismissed the problem of Branham by suggesting that his 'unique record' was 'tarnished' by 'some unbiblical teachings that have been attributed to him.' Again, this implies that Branham was a genuine prophet and teacher. As Hill clearly states, this is not acceptable. Teachings were not just 'attributed' to him - they are on record as being taught by him. For example, he said along with JW's and others!) that "Trinitarianism is of the devil." Only the devil himself would say that! Paul Cain says Branham was the "greatest prophet of the twentieth century".

Paul Cain speaks of the 'angels' that visit him and give him supernatural knowledge and odd visions. One was as follows: "The Lord suddenly appeared beside him (i.e. Cain) in the front seat of the car, dressed in a monk's black habit and wearing a skullcap!" (P38). Pytches might well have placed an exclamation mark at the end of that statement!! That was not the Lord! It was a demon. Note that it wore a Roman Catholic vestment - which is quite suited to charismatic affiliations. Hill tones this down by saying it 'sounds like an occult experience'. However, Hill does suggest strongly that Cain is more of a magician or a witch-doctor than a true prophet. But I still get the impression that he is saying Cain and the other KCP's are genuine, but 'immature'. Let me say right now that all the KCP are occultic and that all their work is of demons, designed to draw people away from Truth and into the occult. I do not care if any of these men were once faithful (although evidence for that is wanting), for their work is evil.

Hill believes that Cain's special bond to Branham has now been shifted to Wimber. I might point out that when a man so heavily steeped in the occult shifts his alliances, it is usually because the newer link will be useful to demons. Wimber has said he is "bonded to Cain for life". It is probably more sinister than we can imagine.

Note that Cain was out of ministry for 27 years, and then 'God' told him to begin again, but to first obtain the 'cover' of a well-known leader. He went through a lot of others before Wimber finally accepted him under his wing! And even then, Wimber had been going through a bad patch - so he was a prime candidate for the spectacular stunts and claims of Cain. According to the 'prophecy' Cain was given to do this, this was the means to be used to give him a platform, from which to teach the world. Thus Wimber, probably unwittingly, was the chosen means to help him do this. He was, then, a vital link in the spread of demonic precepts, which to date have resulted in the Toronto Blessing. What will come next we do not know....but Wimber is a cornerstone of this infamy - the KCP being foundation blocks. I do not accept that Wimber has been a 'blessing to thousands around the world', given his own errors.

Bob Jones claims to have had literally thousands of angelic visitations, appearances of Jesus, out of body experiences and audible voices of God. All of these are occult! We have already mentioned the Day of Atonement when God supposedly stands face to face with him. On that day, in the church (Kansas City Fellowship) he stood on the stage with a shepherd's rod. This was used in the 'passing under the rod' ceremony, when the entire congregation walked under it. It was a 'cleansing of the camp' and a sign of submission. And if someone is not right with God, Jones calls out their sins in public and warns them to repent. And if the persons do not listen, they get death threats!

Hill gives an account of his own foolishness (although he does not say it is foolish - but I do). He visited Bob Jones' home with some others. All of these visitors sensed evil forces in the house. Jones claims to have special powers of 'divination' which operate through his fingers and other senses...another occult experience. He told Hill to stand and to raise both hands. Remarkably, Hill did as he was told! Jones then put his fingers against Hill's fingers, and told him that he would feel a 'transmission of energy'. Hill was then to tell Jones which finger was shaking. Hill said "I, meanwhile, was praying for the whole armour of God to protect me." I find this incredible - a man willingly submitting himself to an occult practice - and THEN asking God to protect him!! I repeat my own warnings to Christians - NEVER, EVER submit to such things. Do not touch these men, for touch is used to transmit evil forces. Possibly, Hill's own vacillations concerning the TB stem from this single act of disobedience. To knowingly allow one's self to be used in an occult practice is beyond comprehension.

After a bit more talk, Jones pronounced Hill an 'apostolic prophet' - a new minustry he had himself invented! (You will remember the 35 super-apostles from Kansas City who would rule the churches of the world).

Remember that according to the KCP's these are the 'new order', and 'end-time Omega generation superchurch'. All churches who do not submit to them are of the 'Ishmael spirit' and should close! In this we see spiritual fascism, which is also present in a number of other false religions, such as Islam. it is this same fascism that we see in TB churches today, which promoted and expressed hatred toward non-TB Christians.

A number of churches left their own denominations, and affiliated to the KCF, because Jones had told them their children were the 'elected seed generation' who were hand-picked in heaven from the 'best bloodline that's ever been' - the offspring of the original apostles. THOSE PEOPLE BELIEVED HIM!! This same teaching has been heard in my home city very recently and it is personified in many charismatics. Always go for either fear or vanity - and you are sure to get a great reception! It is simply good marketing technique. It has worked well for the Roman Catholics for centuries. The new 'seed' are the 'chosen generation of all history' who will become the 'Bride of Christ'. See what is being said here? They are being told that only a few Believers will be the 'Bride of Christ' - which contradicts scripture.

Hill speaks of what he saw in the KCF - the 'disastrous fruit of false prophecy, unbiblical practices, reliance upon untested prophecy, immature and unbalanced ministries'. Wimber acknowledges the same things in his own churches - so how can Hill say he has blessed thousands? Note too the imbalance (or, as I would call it - signs of falsity) he refers to: when they 'first discovered spiritual gifts the emphasis was on speaking in tongues'. After that, the 'fashion' was 'praise and worship'. After that, came healing'. After that, they were 'into' prophecy and 'everyone was prophesying to each other' all the time! When each new fad came along, the whole church neglected everything else. The situation is plain as day, my friends - it is not of God!

At KCF Hill was in what he describes as a pop-concert, with a band, lead singer, a backing group of 'singing prophetesses' and 40 dancing girls! No scripture was read and there was no Gospel preaching, no prayer or anything else Biblical. Just two and a half hours of rock and roll. Hill was staying with a family who had sold their home and were living in rented accomodation, because of a KCP 'prophecy' about 'debt' (i.e. mortgages). How often I have heard of this heavy-handed control over people's lives - particularly from the 'ministry' of people in the UK like Bryn Jones! They wreak havoc and despair.

One prophecy told a woman to have her baby at home and not in hospital. As a result, the baby died. Of God? Never! Because of this and many, many false prophecies and practices, Ernest Gruen (remember, he is himself a charismatic) said, after he and forty other pastors examined the KCF/KCP's: "I emphatically cannot recommend Kansas City Fellowship to you. We have concluded that they are a charismatic heresy, bordering on being a cult group...."

Holy Trinity, Brompton, had, and still has, very close links with KCF and the KCP's. Thus we can be very sure that the same links will pervade the Toronto movement, which was spread here by Holy Trinity. The same Holy Trinity that is now spreading the Alpha Course. KCP rubbish is being flaunted and taught in the UK, even now.

Wimber took 'charge' of the KCP's even after Gruen had told him the truth. It does not matter if KCP as such has ceased to be, for the same people are still around and their former work has been spread world-wide, like a cancer. No doubt it is much easier for me to say all these things after the coming of the Toronto Blessing - but we still cannot excuse men who accepted these things, when the falsity was so blatant.

If you are connected with a church that has been infiltrated by the KCP (or its teachings), then you must purge your life of the stain. Get rid of it. If necessary leave your church, rather than submit to such evil. You now have an outline of what the problem is - do not continue in unbelief and disobedience.

See separate publications: 'Manifested Sons of God (http://www.christiandoctrine.net/doctrine/outlines/outline_00076_manifested_sons_of_god_web.htm)'; 'John Wimber (http://www.christiandoctrine.net/doctrine/articles/article_00005_the_health_wealth_and_prosperity_mov ement_web.htm)'; 'William Branham'; 'Latter Rain & Restoration (http://www.christiandoctrine.net/doctrine/outlines/outline_00077_latter_rain_&_restoration_web.htm)'.

Buzzardhut
January 2nd, 2008, 07:06 AM
7 Cautions for the Kansas City Prophet followers: (http://www.w3church.org/Acceptance.html)

POINT 1
SINCERE AND SPIRITUAL CHRISTIAN LEADERS ARE CATEGORICALLY DECLARING THAT THE END-TIME REVIVAL IS UPON US AS EVIDENCED BY THE TORONTO BLESSING AND OTHER OUTPOURINGS OF THE SPIRIT

No one wants to miss out on what God is doing, especially in the "last days." Persuasive Christian pastors and leaders strongly state that if someone opposes the revival he/she is opposing the move of God. A number of doctrines that continually come and go in the history of Christianity like Dominion Theology, Manifested Sons of God, and Latter Rain Doctrine, have made a reappearance. This is particularly seen in what is called the "Kansas City Prophets." The general notion is that in the last days God will do new things, bring new revelations, and new powerful prophets will be lifted up-all to usher in the last days. A simple idea and a powerful one. Based on what I have read and personally observed it is taught that God is now anointing special people as apostles and prophets (prophets like in the Old Testament who called fire down from heaven, not like prophets in the New Testament whose ministry centered on exhortation and admonishment). These "super" prophets are calling out a great army to be "sovereign vessels," people to be mightily used of God in last-day ministries. It is said that the men who identify themselves as Promise Keepers are part of this army (This comes as a surprise to me and no doubt to the very people who identify with Promise Keepers). People who "love the anointing" are part of this army. People who believe the most important thing in life is "end-time ministries" are part of the army. It is interdenominational, it is non-denominational. It involves Pentecostals, Charismatics, people from the main-line denominations, and even people from what have traditionally been identified as cults. Some people whose philosophical base might be termed "new age" are also jumping on-board. They do not want to miss out on what they perceive God is doing in the last days. The prophets and leaders of the "movement" have godly reputations, are persuasive people, have great Bible knowledge, speak authoritatively, and have large followings. When hundreds of people show up for a prophecy conference, praise and worship service, etc., and one of these super prophets speaks after and hour or so of powerfully good music, it is a strong person indeed who will not buy into the program. After all, they have been told to check in their minds at the door and be ready to receive with their hearts. In an environment where other Christians are criticizing the movement, there is a strong desire on the part of the adherents of the Toronto Blessing style revival to affirm the prophet and his message. The audience does not want the prophet or his prophecy to fail. The prophet in his visions, impartations, dreams, etc., is confident his audience will authenticate him.

POINT 2
IGNORING THE SCRIPTURE IN FAVOR OF RECEIVING WITH THE HEART

This is a day when many Christians devalue the place and importance of the Bible. Experiencing God and "operating" in the gifts of the Holy Spirit seem to take precedence over communing with God through His Word. Those who take great delight in the Bible are often spoken of by the promoters of the revival to believe in the "Father, Son, and Holy Book." In the film, "LA Story" starring Steve Martin, a great deal was made of the cliché, "Let your mind go and your body will follow." This reflects the broad-based interest in eastern religion in which the mind and thinking are seen to be obstacles to spirituality. Ignoring or bypassing the mind, whether in a Buddhist or Christian meeting can result in the very dangerous "passive mind," which is an altered state of consciousness that can lead to deception and even demonization. Nowhere in Scripture are believers encouraged to block out the mind and stop thinking, in fact, the very reverse is true. This is characteristic, however, of Zen Buddhism, Hindu yoga and all forms of spirit channeling and mediumship. Also, it seems that some Christians do not know that we are not to "invite" the Holy Spirit to be present with us because Jesus has already said: "For where two or three are gathered in my name, there am I in the midst of them." (see Matthew 18:20) Mediums, channellers, and witches invite the gods and the spirits, yes, Christians do not do so. We do not "woo" the presence of God, either, by singing and praising and worshipping. This is simply magic. However, this is not an uncommon practice in the Toronto Blessing. When I have been in meetings that were styled after the Toronto Blessing meetings, it seemed it was the volume of noise that mattered; loud clapping and shouting, apparently, was required to assure that the Holy Spirit would "show up." The Holy Spirit is not a toy to be played with, controlled, or manipulated. However, some of the leaders of the Toronto Blessing and Kansas City Prophets are said to be able to knock people over, even at considerable distances, by a flick of their hands. The distance over which someone has "anointing" or "hit" power is supposed to be evidence of the power of that prophet. The fact that this is foreign to the Scripture is ignored. After all, God is portrayed by promoters of the "revival" as doing whatever He wants in the last days even though it is not biblical.

POINT 3
FEAR AND DECEPTION

To miss out on the great, last "move of God" is unthinkable for many Christians, then to be standing against such a move of God would be far worse, even impossible. Out of fear then of either missing out on or opposing what God is supposedly doing, many will go along and accept uncritically what is becoming a real steam roller in many places in the world. The very popularity of the movement grips people and like any fad it compels people to become involved. The fears of missing out and opposing God (even committing the unforgivable sin) combined with a desire to be in on the fun work together to produce an environment where deception can easily take place. People let down their guard, forget to test the spirits, affirm their leaders unquestionably, and thereby open themselves up to deception. Behavior such as barking, roaring, hysterical laughing, etc. have typically been considered either fleshly or demonic in all the great revivals in the Western World from the First Great Awakening (1735-1745) to the Welch Revival in 1905. In every case the strange "spiritual" phenomenon were very popularly received by many but condemned by the pastors and ministers whose responsibility it was to exercise discernment. Even Jonathan Edwards, who is often falsely held up as one who accepted the strange phenomenon as being of God, firmly held that the strange "spiritual" behavior such as barking, roaring, and laughing-was not from God. He held that the strange behavior discredited and shortened the awakening. The deception runs so deep in those who embrace the Toronto Blessing that the wildest of imaginings are accepted. For instance, people are talking directly to the Holy Spirit and claim that the Holy Spirit is lonely without Jesus (Jesus being in heaven and the Holy Spirit being on earth) and so the revival is simply the Holy Spirit "lovin' up" on the church since the church is the Body of Christ. Also, some claim to be able to enter the very body of Jesus and look out through His eyes. Others feel their bodies being heated up as an indication of the presence of the power of the Spirit (a characteristic typical of mediums and clairvoyants). It is not acceptable to question what happens in the "revival" meetings since such questioning would be viewed as being against the move of God and maybe even blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. Fear and deception-the demonic twins.

POINT 4
BORED CHRISTIANS WITH ITCHING EARS

Promoters of the Toronto Blessing commonly make fun of other Christians, in their bland and dull churches, as not having a good time in church. The inference is that everyone should be having a grand old time in church. Their notion is that the Spirit's presence is fun and exciting. There is no question that the Toronto Blessing style meetings are lively and entertaining. The music is quite good if you like fairly mellow rock and roll music. The musicians are good and the bands are generally complete with all the amperage. Large crowds, people jumping up and down (pogoing), shouting, dancing, "praising,"-great stuff. The meetings are not your basic one-hour and out mainline service. These meetings can last for hours, even days. Dollar for dollar it is not a bad entertainment investment. More than that, there is every possibility that a prophet might come out with a new revelation (I've been privileged to hear a couple myself). It is a brand new world with a brand new future-the last days are upon us, God is raising up His super, anointed prophets, He is drafting His great army, "Joel's Army", and an even greater wave of revival is just around the corner. The prophets are touring the world bringing prophecy conferences with them and calling out those who are "sovereign vessels" for the end-time ministries. Forget what the Scripture says about the end of the age and the Day of Judgment, we now have new revelation. The Toronto Blessing style meetings are sometimes likened to a party presided over or hosted by a "Holy Ghost Bartender," that is, the preacher or prophet. The "bartender" or "Holy Ghost Hit-man" dispenses the "spirit" like so much alcohol and the people get drunk in the spirit or so it is said. I have seen it several times and the people do act like they are drunk. It is a lot of fun-the preachers can't preach (too drunk), the singers can't sing (too drunk), the prophets can't prophesy (too drunk), and everyone laughs about it, laugh long and hard. It is party time all in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. Quite right, the normal church will not be like this, especially in "normal" as opposed to revival or awakened, times. There the old and new songs and hymns will be sung, the Scripture will be read, and there will be petitions, supplications and prayers made to God. The Bible will be expounded, and the Gospel of Jesus and His cross will be preached. And it will all be done in about an hour to an hour and a half. Right, it can not compete. Indeed, it should not nor need not. Genuine Christianity has never been a mass movement nor has it been popular. It does not depend on emotions, excitement, or entertainment. The mature Christian looks to Jesus as the author and finisher of his/her faith and does not need more than that.

POINT 5
ADOPTING THE POPULAR VICTIM MENTALITY

The Toronto Blessing and its traveling companions focus on blessing, comforting, filling and "lovin' on" the people. Why? Because people need it. They are desperate, stress filled, spiritually starved and hungry for more of God. The "revival" promoters, it appears, have taken on the general orientation of the culture. The Toronto Blessing has adopted a kind of "victim" mentality. And this mentality has certainly been popular in the American culture evidenced by the very large self-help movement and tabloid type television programming. What the people need is constantly "more," and "more," and "more." People are there to get. They want the anointing. They are constantly warned to "love the anointing." They want to be touched, to be healed, to be comforted, to be blessed, to be loved, to know that God knows and cares. Who could argue against such needs? The Toronto Blessing is creating a large group of needy people. The fact that the preceding is not the biblical agenda is hardly noticed by the leaders of the movement. The Scripture knows nothing of a "bless me" meeting. Again, all that the leaders of the movement need to do is simply counter with; "God is doing a new thing." However, where will it end? After a while the meetings become quite ordinary and boring. People laugh, fall down, act drunk and stagger around, bark, roar, shout, and babble on-night after night after night. Addicts need more always, and what will it be? What strange twist might this all take? It can become even stranger and it is likely to. It will likely become so strange that many people outside of the movement, Christian and non-Christian, will instantly see it. However, those who are bound in deception will have to go right on with it because they will need it.

POINT 6
THE LONGING FOR REVIVAL

An awakening is a wonderful time of refreshing and renewal. A reviving of the church is badly needed and most Christians know it. Not knowing what an awakening or a revival looks like since we have not seen one in quite a long while, coupled with the general deterioration of the visible church, people hunger for a world set right. Then here it is on our doorstep-a revival called the Toronto Blessing. Hope's up, expectations are kindled, and this is the "Let's do it," generation. Maybe there is an instant fix for our many woes, perhaps there is a heroic leader out there who can care for us, there might even be a quick end to the world system and a soon coming of the heavenly kingdom. Could we ask for more? The Toronto Blessing has been called a "counterfeit revival." I agree, and furthermore, it is my belief that many people may be experiencing counterfeit conversion. An electrifying experience is not conversion. Being knocked off your feet, rendered immobile, barking like a dog, roaring like a lion, and shouting like a warrior-are not a testimony to conversion. It is my contention that this is the heart of it-people are having religious and spiritual experiences but are not being genuinely born again. I call it "christianization."

POINT 7
IS HEALING AND RESTORATION POSSIBLE?

There is rapidly developing among people committed to the Toronto Blessing and the super, end-time ministry, prophets a sense that they can not go back. It would just be too hard to admit that they had made a mistake. This is almost always the case for someone who gets mixed up with a cultic movement. It often takes years for healing to occur. People in the movement become involved and committed a little at a time. The heat is turned up so slowly that a person