Jesus wrestles with Jacob

[soulfinder]

Jacob wrestles with Jesus

Genisis 32

24 Then Jacob was left alone; and a Man wrestled with him until the breaking of day.
25 Now when He saw that He did not prevail against him, He touched the socket of his hip; and the socket of Jacob’s hip was out of joint as He wrestled with him.
26 And He said, “Let Me go, for the day breaks.”
But he said, “I will not let You go unless You bless me!”
27 So He said to him, “What is your name?”
He said, “Jacob.”
28 And He said, “Your name shall no longer be called Jacob, but Israel;[b] for you have struggled with God and with men, and have prevailed.”
29 Then Jacob asked, saying, “Tell me Your name, I pray.”
And He said, “Why is it that you ask about My name?” And He blessed him there.
30 So Jacob called the name of the place Peniel:[c] “For I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.”

[soulfinder]

Sorry had a little trouble posting and accidently posted this a few times.

Please do not reply, and let this one go.

One of them worked though.

[eahaddix]

Jacob wrestles with Jesus

Genisis 32

24 Then Jacob was left alone; and a Man wrestled with him until the breaking of day.
25 Now when He saw that He did not prevail against him, He touched the socket of his hip; and the socket of Jacob’s hip was out of joint as He wrestled with him.
26 And He said, “Let Me go, for the day breaks.”
But he said, “I will not let You go unless You bless me!”
27 So He said to him, “What is your name?”
He said, “Jacob.”
28 And He said, “Your name shall no longer be called Jacob, but Israel;[b] for you have struggled with God and with men, and have prevailed.”
29 Then Jacob asked, saying, “Tell me Your name, I pray.”
And He said, “Why is it that you ask about My name?” And He blessed him there.
30 So Jacob called the name of the place Peniel:[c] “For I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.”

:idunno Where does Genesis 32 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis%2032;&version=31;) identify the man of Genesis 32:24-30 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis%2032:24-30;&version=31;) as Christ Jesus?

[soulfinder]

Jacob himself says that he has seen God.

The testimony is Jacobs.

Beyond that, these scriptures were taken from the NKJV, and I didn't capitalize the word Man, so the translators also believed this to be true.

[eahaddix]

Jacob himself says that he has seen God.

The testimony is Jacobs.

Beyond that, these scriptures were taken from the NKJV, and I didn't capitalize the word Man, so the translators also believed this to be true.

Christ Jesus is fully man and fully YHWH God, not simply fully YHWH God.

The Biblical Equation of the Son (ref. Matthew 16:13-18 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%2016:13-18;&version=31;))
Fully Man (Hebrews 2:14, 17 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Hebrews%202:14,%2017;&version=31;), Hebrews 4:15 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Hebrews%204:15;&version=31;))
+ Fully YHWH God (Colossians 2:9 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Colossians%202:9;&version=31;))
= Christ Jesus (Isaiah 9:6 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isaiah%209:6;&version=31;), John 1:1-2, 14, 18 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John%201:1-2,%2014,%2018;&version=31;), Philippians 2:5-7 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Philippians%202:5-7;&version=31;))

Christ Jesus (Isaiah 9:6 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isaiah%209:6;&version=31;), John 1:1-2, 14, 18 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John%201:1-2,%2014,%2018;&version=31;), Philippians 2:5-7 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Philippians%202:5-7;&version=31;)) = The Son (Luke 1:26-38 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke%201:26-38;&version=31;), cf. Hebrews 1:5 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Hebrews%201;&version=31;), Psalm 2:7 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Psalm%202:7;&version=31;))

So, with this Biblical equation in mind, how can Jesus be Jesus before the Incarnation?

[soulfinder]

The Gospel of John says this:

John 1
The Eternal Word
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made.

Jesus (the Word of God) was with God in the beginning, and all things that were made were made through Him.

Jesus existed long before mankind, and He in fact, created man.

There are several accounts in the old testament of Jesus Christ, I have listed some.

If you want to know more, my best advice is to ask Jesus to show you, and He can.

[eahaddix]

The Gospel of John says this:

John 1
The Eternal Word
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made.

Jesus (the Word of God) was with God in the beginning, and all things that were made were made through Him.

Jesus existed long before mankind, and He in fact, created man.

There are several accounts in the old testament of Jesus Christ, I have listed some.

If you want to know more, my best advice is to ask Jesus to show you, and He can.

You did not answer my question in my last post (http://www.rr-bb.com/showpost.php?p=123825&postcount=5). How can Jesus be Jesus before the Incarnation?

[soulfinder]

As I said, He existed before mankind, and there are written accounts of Him in the books of Daniel, Judges, Genesis, Exodus, and more.

I think a lot of the confusion can be solved in these questions, and if you can answer them, then you may find understanding.

Does Jesus pray to His Father, or is He only talking to Himself?

Why did Jesus say "Not my will be done but Your will be done"?

Why did Jesus tell His disciples that His Father was greater than He?

Why did Jesus tell His disciples "For the Father judges no one, but has committed all judgement to the Son that all should honor Him as they honor the Father"?

Was Jesus His own Father?

[eahaddix]

As I said, He existed before mankind, and there are written accounts of Him in the books of Daniel, Judges, Genesis, Exodus, and more.

I think a lot of the confusion can be solved in these questions, and if you can answer them, then you may find understanding.

Does Jesus pray to His Father, or is He only talking to Himself?

Why did Jesus say "Not my will be done but Your will be done"?

Why did Jesus tell His disciples that His Father was greater than He?

Why did Jesus tell His disciples "For the Father judges no one, but has committed all judgement to the Son that all should honor Him as they honor the Father"?

Was Jesus His own Father?

:scratch I do not understand why you are answering my question with a series of rhetorical questions. Can you provide me with a straightforward answer to my previous post (http://www.rr-bb.com/showpost.php?p=123825&postcount=5) please?

[Cd4u_2]

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. In him was life; and the life was the light of men. And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not. There was a man sent from God, whose name was John. The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe. He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light. That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world. He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. He came unto his own, and his own received him not. But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that cometh after me is preferred before me: for he was before me. And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace. For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ. No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.
John 1:1-18


ooops edited, I see this verse have already been posted.