Emergent Rob Bell *Merged*

[lisa]

Whoops! One more quick thing...

None of the parables that Jesus used were true.


Wrong. There's a passage in the old testament that refers to the measuring of a basin. The measurement that the author comes up with is wrong. Sorry, what you claim is not true.

I believe this is found in 1 Kings 7:38

Anyway, I'm out (for real).

It's been fun.

If the Bible is even a fraction wrong, we might as well throw the whole thing away and live like we're dying. :shocked

The Lord would never allow imperfection in His word. To make a statement that He would allow it shows the reasoning for this song and dance. Many really good folks have taken alot of their precious time to try and make the truth of the Bible clear in this thread, and in other thread like this. But there seems to be obstacle after obstacle thrown up to block them, and now this. Either we live our lives for Christ or we don't. Satan will do all he can to get us to think we can be saved some other way (i.e., the social gospel) or that the Bible is fallible or fractured.

This will be the last thread defending Rob Bell and his "movements" as it were.

This thread is now closed.

[Chris]

Whoops! One more quick thing...

None of the parables that Jesus used were true.

All the parables Jesus taught were truth, but one could only understand those truths if they were spiritually discerning and through the aid of the HS. Many people are not spiritually discerning, so they view Jesus' parables as nothing more than creatvie stories because they don't understand them. But they are missing great truths by refusing to be taught by the HS. Which is sad. :ohno


Wrong. There's a passage in the old testament that refers to the measuring of a basin. The measurement that the author comes up with is wrong. Sorry, what you claim is not true.

I believe this is found in 1 Kings 7:38

Anyway, I'm out (for real).

It's been fun.

Yes, the Bible is 100% true and a little study will show you where your understanding is short. But I'm not sure if you are interested in the truth, or if you are interested in showing the Bible is wrong or whatever? :scratch

Also, in your profile, what do you mean by this:


Interests:
Often trying (and failing) to be covered in the dust of my Rabbi, various routines and distractions

Are you Jewish "grape on the vine"?? :scratch Or are you talking about Jesus being your rabbi? I'm not understanding this?? :scratch

[Buzzardhut]

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[JoelH]

Thre is in fact too much humanism than acceptable anywhere in the Christendom, even for the Catholics. Even the Vatican would call this heresy.

[hvnaw8s]

Thank-you for posting this Sing4Him, I have a brother who really likes
Rob Bell and his books. He even was able to get his mens bible study group to read Rob Bell's book " The Velvet Elvis" and do a study on it.

Unfortunatly, there was a man in the group who after reading it, became extremely confused in what he actually believed. Rob Bell has a way of getting you to question everything you once were taught.

[Buzzardhut]

Thank-you for posting this Sing4Him, I have a brother who really likes
Rob Bell and his books. He even was able to get his mens bible study group to read Rob Bell's book " The Velvet Elvis" and do a study on it.

Unfortunatly, there was a man in the group who after reading it, became extremely confused in what he actually believed. Rob Bell has a way of getting you to question everything you once were taught.
Bell is confused himself, and now spreading confusion to others.

[Berean Girl]

God warned us of this very thing:


Galatians 1:6-8 (New King James Version)

Only One Gospel

6 I marvel that you are turning away so soon from Him who called you in the grace of Christ, to a different gospel, 7 which is not another; but there are some who trouble you and want to pervert the gospel of Christ. 8 But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed.


Galatians 5:9-10 (New King James Version)

9 A little leaven leavens the whole lump. 10 I have confidence in you, in the Lord, that you will have no other mind; but he who troubles you shall bear his judgment, whoever he is.


Galatians 5:12 (New King James Version)

12 I could wish that those who trouble you would even cut themselves off!


1 Corinthians 14:33
For God is not the author of confusion but of peace, as in all the churches of the saints.


James 3:15-17 (New King James Version)

15 This wisdom does not descend from above, but is earthly, sensual, demonic. 16 For where envy and self-seeking exist, confusion and every evil thing are there. 17 But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, willing to yield, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality and without hypocrisy.

:scripture

[true2yeshua]

The enemy is ravaging an entire generation right before our eyes! What has lead to this - in two words - Bible illiteracy.

In this thread also, let me suggest purchasing The Truth War, Fighting for Certainty in an Age of Deception, John MacArthur, it is an excellent expose on all things postmodern.

While I realize that God forewarned us these days would come, it is heartwrenching to be living in the midst of them. (Except for the fact that it points to the nearer return of our Lord!) Lost people fall prey to these false prophets who peddle death, because they do not read the Bible!

What makes RR so beneficial, IMO, is threads like this one. Which reflect genuine love for the brethren. Real love - "does not rejoice in iniquity, but rejoices in the truth" (1 Cor 13:6)

Here's a quote from D. Martyn Lloyd-Jones' book, Preaching and Preachers, where he addresses the modern distrust of polemics (the art of arguing passionately and strongly for or against something). He says that "We do not want these arguments. Give us the simple message, the simple gospel. Give it to us positively, and do not bother about other views." He responded to those sentiments: "It is important that we should realize that if we speak like that we are denying the Scriptures. The Scriptures are full of arguments, full of polemics." He said:

"Disapproval of polemics in the Christian Church is a very serious matter. But that is the attitude of the age in which we live. The prevailing idea today in many circles is not to bother about these things. As long as we are all Christians, anyhow, all is well. Do not let us argue about doctrine, let us all be Christians together and talk about the love of God. That is really the whole basis of ecumenicity. Unfortunately, that same attitude is creeping into evangelical circles also, and many say we must not be too precise about these things....If you hold that view you are criticizing the Apostle Paul, you are saying that he was wrong, and at the same time you are critizing the Scriptures. The Scriptures argue and debate and dispute; they are full of polemics.

Let us be clear about what we mean. This is not argument for the sake of argument; this is not a manifestation of an argumentative spirit; this is not just indulging one's prejudices. The Scriptures do not approve of that, and furthermore the Scriptures are very concerned about the spirit in which one engages in discussion. No man should like argument for the sake of argument. We should always regret the necessity; but though we regret and bemoan it, when we feel that a vital matter is at stake we must engage in argument. We must "earnestly contend for the truth," and we are called upon to do that by the New Testament.

Seems as though a pastor - and no doubt many others as well - could see where we were headed years ago.

Shalom in Christ
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Pray for the peace of Jerusalem :pray :israel

[hvnaw8s]

TruetoYeshua :thumb


Lost people fall prey to these false prophets who peddle death, because they do not read the Bible!


This is also true of believers. I have some in my own family who follow false teachings because they are not in the Word like they should be. There time of being in the Word consists of watching "said teacher",and shaking their head in full agreement in all that they say simply because this person quoted a few scriptures. :ohno

We know that Satan, can also quote scripture and did so with Jesus when Jesus was being tempted. He (satan) is still using the same deceitful tactics today. If he would do this to Jesus (misquote and misapply scripture) don't we (believers) think that he would do the same to us? Absolutely he would. He also is using the same deceitful tactic he used in the garden with Eve. The "hath God really said" tactic. Which we find in the Emergent Church. Why? Because unfortunetly, it works. We need only to look at the condition of the church to see just how well.

Because satan is busy within the church distorting what God's Word really says, and spoon feeding it to us,( it just goes down so easy, because it sounds so good) is exactly why I believe we need to be Bereans as Gods Word says. And it doesn't matter who the teacher is. We need to always be checking the Scriptures to make sure what is being said, actually lines up in the Word and is accurate.

In Hosea 4:6 we read: My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children.

There is an ignorance of the Word of God today among believers. We are living in a day where method and gimmicks are what our pastors are looking to,(Instead of the pure Word of God) to get people in the door. Taking scriptures out of context and using whatever translation in order for it to say what they want it to say and people are flocking to these men in groves. :ohno


This saying is true:
We need to know the bible (the genuine article) so well that when a counterfeit comes our way we will be able to see it for what it is.
We would be able to reconize immediately that which is not of God and His Word.


:scripture

[hvnaw8s]

Bell is confused himself, and now spreading confusion to others.

This is sadly true. :ohno

This mans popularity among believers

is quite bothersome, to say the least.