Emergent Rob Bell *Merged*

[grape on the vine]

You mean like thw way Paul did to Peter as he describes it in Galatians 2?


11 Now when Peter had come to Antioch, I withstood him to his face, because he was to be blamed;
12 for before certain men came from James, he would eat with the Gentiles; but when they came, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing those who were of the circumcision.
13 And the rest of the Jews also played the hypocrite with him, so that even Barnabas was carried away with their hypocrisy.
14 But when I saw that they were not straightforward about the truth of the gospel, I said to Peter before them all, “If you, being a Jew, live in the manner of Gentiles and not as the Jews, why do you compel Gentiles to live as Jews?

And is continues through to the end of the chapter. He publically, in front of them all, got in Peter's face and called him a hypocrite and holing him responsible for leading others in the same hypocracy.

Would that be the right way to judge the teachings of other believers? Not very "loving" if you ask me.
Who here has brought this to Mr. Bell's face? In front of an assembly or not, no one here has spoken to the man himself. This whole thread falls so far short of the point you're trying to make with that scripture that it's not even funny. It's actually incredibly sad.

This kind of behaviour doesn't seem righteous at all.

[Buzzardhut]

I hope so. We'll see one day.
I don't think he's ever claimed in any way that he's trying to accomplish this. In fact, in most of his sermons, etc. he spends a lot of time looking back to the context of the first century Jews. Nothing new, or improved about any of that.
Have you ever actually listened to him?
So you've condemned him then?
I've listened enough of Bell, and don't need to condemn him if his words condemn himself, I label him as a wolf with a false gospel, emergents love to be vague so you cannot label them but given time they have put out enough material to discern their over all 'cannot grasp truth - New Age messages.

Their 'no conviction' messages tickle the ears of the 'religious without repentance' who love attending social gospel churches

[Buzzardhut]

Who here has brought this to Mr. Bell's face? In front of an assembly or not, no one here has spoken to the man himself. This whole thread falls so far short of the point you're trying to make with that scripture that it's not even funny. It's actually incredibly sad.

This kind of behaviour doesn't seem righteous at all.
His Velvet message is brought to us.
We don't need his face when we have his words.
It's sad watching today's post modern church swallowing a false gospel.
True Righteousness is holding fast to the True Gospel

[grape on the vine]

His Velvet message is brought to us.
We don't need his face when we have his words.
Paul didn't stop at Peter's message/words that were brought to him. He still went right to Peter, face to face. Just sayin'...


It's sad watching today's post modern church swallowing a false gospel.
True Righteousness is holding fast to the True Gospel
Is there a verse to back that claim? I'm looking for it and can't find it.

[FunMudder]

Paul didn't stop at Peter's message/words that were brought to him. He still went right to Peter, face to face. Just sayin'...

And the people that have gone right to his face have shared what happened and we've linked to their blogs.



Is there a verse to back that claim? I'm looking for it and can't find it.

Did you miss Christy's post?



Test all things; hold fast what is good. 1Th 5:21
Whoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God. He who abides in the doctrine of Christ has both the Father and the Son. 2Jo 1:9

If anyone comes to you and does not bring this doctrine, do not receive him into your house nor greet him; for he who greets him shares in his evil deeds.
2Jo 1:10

But there were also false prophets among the people, even as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Lord who bought them, and bring on themselves swift destruction. 2Pe 2:1

And many will follow their destructive ways, because of whom the way of truth will be blasphemed.2Pe 2:2

By covetousness they will exploit you with deceptive words; for a long time their judgment has not been idle, and their destruction does not slumber.2Pe 2:3

[grape on the vine]

And the people that have gone right to his face have shared what happened and we've linked to their blogs.
I know it's rude to make people repeat themselves; but they've gone directly to Rob Bell?





Did you miss Christy's post?
Thanks.

[Harley]

Yeah he's a false-teacher all right... a vague false teacher who believes:

in the inspiration and inerrancy of the Bible

the relevancy of the Bible for today

the imago dei

that God is creator

in the sinfulness of humanity

the virgin birth

the deity of Jesus

his bodily resurrection

the need for repentance

that Jesus' sacrifice is the only means of salvation

the indwell and gifting of the Holy Spirit

the return of Christ in judgment

and the restoration of a new heaven and new earth.

[corby]

Yeah he's a false-teacher all right... a false teacher who believes;
in the inspiration and inerrancy of the Scriptures
the relevancy of the Scriptures for today
the imago dei
that God is creator
in the sinfulness of humanity
the virgin birth
the deity of Jesus
his bodily resurrection
the need for repentance
that Jesus' sacrifice is the only means of salvation
the indwell and gifting of the Holy Spirit
the return of Christ in judgment
and the restoration of a new heaven and new earth.

My experience with Robb Bell, in listening to some of his studies and reading the watchblogs, is that it's like dealing with a Mormon. They use the same language, the same phrases, but they often mean something else entirely. It's Bell's application of these concepts that is very problematic.

How can he say he believes in the the inspiration and inerrancy of the scriptures, and that God is the creator, when he teaches that Genesis (at least the first 11 chapters) is myth? God doesn't inspire (breath into) myths and myths are by their very nature untrue and therefore errant. How does he know God is the creator when he doesn't believe the text that tells us this?

While he may believes in those things, the question "to what end" keeps coming to mind. It comes to mind because of what I've heard him say and what he has written. Bell preaches an incomplete gospel. He talks the talk so as to appease us fundies, bu the follow through isn't there. That's been my experience.

[Harley]

I've spent more time than it's worth trying to find the text or a video of Rob Bell saying Genesis is myth - since I'd like to see the statement in context before bringing the oil to a boil... where are those feathers? Closest I could find was a reference to him saying Genesis 1 is Hebrew poetry. Even that, though, requires a greater context which I could not find.

So, until I see something more precise (my whole point from the beginning) I'm willing to assume he means what he says - not what others say he really means. If ya'll don't want to believe his affirmations of Orthodox Christian beliefs, so be it... I can't stop you from redefining his words. I could, however, find neofundamentalists who call Billy Graham a false teacher using the same logic (e.g. "He talks a good talk but shares the podium with Romists, therefore he doesn't really mean...").

Hey - this is fun!

[Harley]

This whole thread reminds me of a recent thread about Dan Kimball (who I like with greater consistency than Bell)... the upshot to that thread was - regardless of what orthodox quotes and statements Dan makes... there are always those who say he's just putting on a front - that that's not what he really means...

...i want that ability, I want to be able to discern the heart of a brother in Christ... I want to be able to skip past what he says and does and judge his motives and intents... i want to weigh God's calling on his life... to discount his minsitry...





then again...





maybe I don't.